Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Upper_Krust]

Hi, all!

Hi Knight Otu mate!

Apolgies for the slow response.

Anubis: The PC wealth table actually goes up by 10% by level, too, rounded to the nearest 10,000. I'm pretty sure something along this line is said in the Epic Adventures chapter.

Two more days and I'll either have the book or strangle my supplier!

Upper_Krust: I'm still not fully convinced that there should be one greater god per pantheon,

Well I outlined above how you could have have more than one in some cases.

I did some poking around and Pantheons should have (on average) about 5 Billion WP (or just shy of that).

though I do agree that the D&DG overdoes it (both in terms of the number of Greater Gods and the similarity of total levels of the gods. There should be greater diversity).

The deities were very poorly handled all round in that book.

I like the idea of using the pantheon head's DvR to determine pantheon size, though!

Just a simple idea to try and balance Pantheons for those important all out Pantheon Wars!

(We could really run wild with those Divine Ranks, using the portfolio (or concepts) of the gods to determine their DvR! )

Not sure I follow you mate?

 

[Anubis]

Speaking of portfolios, how many does a new deity start with, and how does a deity gain new portfolios as he or she gains power?

I know this was covered before, but I can't remember . . . Thus far, my ascended character is DR 2 and has two portfolios only. Is that right? Should she have more? Less?

Thanks for your time, UK!

Also, has anyone else noticed that if an Ascended Epic Level Character of near equal levels to any of the D&D deities ever got into a fight with any of those deities, almost regardless of DR, the Ascended Epic Level Character would likely win mainly due to the sheer power of the ELH stuff?

My DR 2 Xun Huo, goddess of magic and knowledge, is teaming up with a few other newbie gods, and we're planning on ousting both the Greyhawk AND Forgotten Realms pantheons . . .

(They're the only pantheons left because the Epic Level CHARACTER (NOT deity), Level 150 Vampire "Quickly" (named thus for his tendancies to QUICKLY kill you in a fight), wiped out every other pantheon single-handedly . . . (It WAS funny how I fought him once at about Level 14, I was young and stupid, tried to stuff him in a Bag of Holding and toss him into a Portable Hole . . . Unfortunately, him having 80 Levels in Wizard and all, of course he had a clone waiting . . . Those two Quickened Disintegrates were a bitch!)

By the way, unfortunately for all, he IS a god now . . . Hehehe . . . Thankfully, he's also our tactician . . . Those pantheons are SO dead . . .

The in-game reason for this is because we feel the "old-school" gods (read: ones without ELH stuff) were too weak and had outlived their usefulness, so we're gonna take their worshippers and their Divine Ranks and their lives. The real-life reason is that my DM wants to "clean the slate" because he only wants original gods in his world now.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anubis mate!

Speaking of portfolios, how many does a new deity start with, and how does a deity gain new portfolios as he or she gains power?

I suggest that the deity begin with two (one chosen by the DM the other by the player).

You have to use Salient Divine Ability slots to gain more (Portfolios are now closely tied to Domains).

I know this was covered before, but I can't remember . . . Thus far, my ascended character is DR 2 and has two portfolios only. Is that right? Should she have more? Less?

I suggest starting with two.

D&Dg suggests starting with three.

Thanks for your time, UK!

Anytime mate!

Also, has anyone else noticed that if an Ascended Epic Level Character of near equal levels to any of the D&D deities ever got into a fight with any of those deities, almost regardless of DR, the Ascended Epic Level Character would likely win mainly due to the sheer power of the ELH stuff?

There is no way a deity should ever get beaten by an epic character of the same level - divinity gives you too much additional power.

My DR 2 Xun Huo, goddess of magic and knowledge, is teaming up with a few other newbie gods, and we're planning on ousting both the Greyhawk AND Forgotten Realms pantheons . . .

(They're the only pantheons left because the Epic Level CHARACTER (NOT deity), Level 150 Vampire "Quickly" (named thus for his tendancies to QUICKLY kill you in a fight), wiped out every other pantheon single-handedly . . . (It WAS funny how I fought him once at about Level 14, I was young and stupid, tried to stuff him in a Bag of Holding and toss him into a Portable Hole . . . Unfortunately, him having 80 Levels in Wizard and all, of course he had a clone waiting . . . Those two Quickened Disintegrates were a bitch!)

By the way, unfortunately for all, he IS a god now . . . Hehehe . . . Thankfully, he's also our tactician . . . Those pantheons are SO dead . . .

The in-game reason for this is because we feel the "old-school" gods (read: ones without ELH stuff) were too weak and had outlived their usefulness, so we're gonna take their worshippers and their Divine Ranks and their lives. The real-life reason is that my DM wants to "clean the slate" because he only wants original gods in his world now.

Killing a god is easy if you have the firepower (Doomstar killed Anu on his home plane with a Magic Missile spell).

But killing a Pantheon is another matter entirely. Considering you have about 20 deities to face, hundreds of hero-deities, hundreds of champions, thousands of servants and millions of worshippers.

But have fun!

 

[Anubis]

There is no way a deity should ever get beaten by an epic character of the same level - divinity gives you too much additional power.

Well, once you read the ELH, you'll see why Epic Level Characters could beat the deities of equal level into bloody pulps. Lots of good there. POWER . . .

Killing a god is easy if you have the firepower (Doomstar killed Anu on his home plane with a Magic Missile spell).

Magic MIssile? What'd he do, Empower Spell up to a 70th level spell?

But killing a Pantheon is another matter entirely. Considering you have about 20 deities to face, hundreds of hero-deities, hundreds of champions, thousands of servants and millions of worshippers.

But have fun!

Yeah, that's the fun of it! It'll take strategy, that's for sure . . . But with Quickly on our side, all of them together don't have enough firepower to stop us!

 

[Knight Otu]

(posting from my uncle's PC)

Hi, all!

Two more days and I'll either have the book or strangle my supplier!

Wouldn't that mean that you'd never get the book?

Not sure I follow you mate

I was refering to my "Concepts" idea I posted earlier in this thread, though somewhat expanded. Say you have a god that represents two Greater concepts, which may be the equivalent of 9 DvR, and no other concepts, this god is DvR 18.
Of course, I was mostly joking, so it may be better for our all sanity if we just ignore this idea.

Well, once you read the ELH, you'll see why Epic Level Characters could beat the deities of equal level into bloody pulps.

Well, I disagree, and I do have the ELH.
You may want to read this thread on the WotC boards: http://boards.wizards.com/rpg/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=222;t=000399

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anubis mate!

Well, once you read the ELH, you'll see why Epic Level Characters could beat the deities of equal level into bloody pulps. Lots of good there. POWER . . .

I could never see a 70th-level epic character defeating Zeus! It just won't happen!

Magic MIssile? What'd he do, Empower Spell up to a 70th level spell?

Remember this wasn't 3rd Ed.

Yeah, that's the fun of it! It'll take strategy, that's for sure . . . But with Quickly on our side, all of them together don't have enough firepower to stop us!

Obviously I am not privvy to all the campaign details but it would seem logical (under the circumstances) to assume that Pantheons faced with a threat like Quickly & Co. would join forces. You don't live for thousands of years just to roll over and die. As soon as Quickly's intentions became clear multiple Pantheons would side with each other to preserve the status quo.

Doomstar was almost caught in a similar position. Though he was a bit more circumspect knowing that while he could defeat most gods individually he would be vulnerable if they attacked en masse. So after his initial assault (Killing Anu, then later Marduk) he established his terms, drawing a line in the sand so to speak. So there is something of a Cold War between the Gods and Doomstar over the world of Ea (our main campaign world).

 

[Upper_Krust]

(posting from my uncle's PC)

Hi, all!

Hello Knight Otu mate!

Wouldn't that mean that you'd never get the book?

I never got it today - though I have been told it has arrived and by Monday it will be in the store.

I was refering to my "Concepts" idea I posted earlier in this thread, though somewhat expanded. Say you have a god that represents two Greater concepts, which may be the equivalent of 9 DvR, and no other concepts, this god is DvR 18.

Of course, I was mostly joking, so it may be better for our all sanity if we just ignore this idea.

Actually I have an idea very similar to this, related to Portfolios.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Addendum

Actually I made a mistake in the Ability Score assignment for Divinity.

It should be:

+10 Divine Bonus to EACH ability score

+5 Inherant Bonus to EACH ability score (doesn't stack with previous inherant bonuses)

+1 Divine Bonus TOTAL per Divine Rank

+1/4 Class Levels (as always)

So:

eg. Duke of Hell (Huge Pit Fiend Quasi-deity)

21HD (410hp)
STR: 48
DEX: 26
CON: 40
INT: 35
WIS: 35
CHA: 31

eg. Solar (Large Quasi-deity)

22HD (363hp)
STR: 43
DEX: 35
CON: 35
INT: 38
WIS: 40
CHA: 40

eg. Bahamuts Bodyguards (7 in total)
(Colossal Great Wyrm Gold Dragon Quasi-deities)

41HD (1045hp)
STR: 62
DEX: 25
CON: 48
INT: 47
WIS: 48
CHA: 47

 

[Impeesa]

Refresh my memory... what happens to a god who loses all of their worshippers save for a few hundred devotees? With the impending release of d20 Modern (and with any luck, the IH ), I have suddenly become taken with the idea of a campaign in which the players are old gods (Norse, Greek, etc.) in a modern day setting. Something like this comic, except that this party of gods would primarily be concerned with fending off boredom, other less scrupulous gods who have also survived this long, and the curious eyes of certain mortals (they're still gods, but far from invincible).

Maybe I'm just crazy.

--Impeesa--

 

[Buddha the DM]

Re: Addendum

Actually I made a mistake in the Ability Score assignment for Divinity.

It should be:

+10 Divine Bonus to EACH ability score

+5 Inherant Bonus to EACH ability score (doesn't stack with previous inherant bonuses)

+1 Divine Bonus TOTAL per Divine Rank

So this supercedes the information that you gave me previously? That information having been the following:

+6 Divine Bonus to Ability Scores
+5 Inherent Bonus to Ability Scores (check against existing inherent bonuses)
+21 floating ability score points (assign as desired)
+1 point / Divine Rank (assign as desired; in this you get 0 extra points)