Upper Krust, where are you? [Immortal's Handbook]

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Anubis mate!

As someone pointed out in the "Dragons" thread, these numbers do not work very well with the weakest dragons (Black and White, Brass and Copper, etc.). MY numbers put them SLIGHTLY to high, so your numbers make them ridiculous. The example was the Young Black Dragon, CR 4 in the book, CR 10 by my system, CR 11 by your system. We are now overestimating some of these things.

I'm adding modifiers to mind based on breath weapon, since that is where these dragons falter.

It works out at CR 10 by my system (CR 11 by the quick method shown above).

The effect on EL is negligable (between CR 10 and 11).

Remember also that my system takes into account player ability scores (not simply level) for deteremining their CR.

MY numbers put them SLIGHTLY to high, so your numbers make them ridiculous. The example was the Young Black Dragon, CR 4 in the book, CR 10 by my system, CR 11 by your system.

LOL!

I love the way CR 10 is SLIGHTLY too high whereas CR 11 is RIDICULOUS!

Hours of fun!

...I'll have to investigate this 'Dragon' thread.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi all!

I just noticed a small mistake in the CR/EL document (as I just mentioned in the 'Dragon' thread).

Those of you that already have the document should note...

Under size it should be:

+0.5/size increase above medium.

Under Exceptional Special Attacks/Qualities you should add:

Also Augmented Criticals +1 (Tarrasque).

I'll have these changes fixed for the formatted pdf version available next week.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi all!

It turns out that the above mistake has implications of the 'Quick Dragon CR' system I touted previously.

Here is the revision:

Wyrmling CR = its HD

ie. Wyrmling Black Dragon (4 HD) = CR 4

Each age category adds a set figure to CR based on the opening HD:

1 HD (wyrmling); add +2.8 CR/additional age
2 HD (wyrmling); add +3 CR/additional age
3 HD (wyrmling); add +3.2 CR/additional age (eg. white)
4 HD (wyrmling); add +3.4 CR/additional age (eg. black)
5 HD (wyrmling); add +3.6 CR/additional age (eg. green)
6 HD (wyrmling); add +3.8 CR/additional age (eg. blue)
7 HD (wyrmling); add +4 CR/additional age (eg. red)
8 HD (wyrmling); add +4.2 CR/additional age (eg. gold)
9 HD (wyrmling); add +4.4 CR/additional age
10 HD (wyrmling); add +4.6 CR/additional age

etc.

20 HD (wyrmling); add 6.6 CR/additional age (eg. force)

Great Wyrm Force Dragon CR 92

23 HD (wyrmling); add 7.2 CR/additional age (eg. prismatic)

Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon CR 102

Example: Black Dragon

Wyrmling (4 HD) = CR 4
Very Young = CR 7 (7.4)
Young = CR 10 (10.8)
Juvenile = CR 14 (14.2)
Young Adult = CR 17 (17.6)
Adult = CR 21
Mature Adult = CR 24 (24.4)
Old = CR 34 (27.8)
Very Old = CR 31 (31.2)
Ancient = CR 34 (34.6)
Wyrm = CR 38
Great Wyrm = CR 41 (41.4)

...apologies for the previous mistake.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Feedback on this...

Hi all!

I think I have found a way to make determining Encounter Level so easy as to not require a table. In fact its so simple I am annoyed I never thought of it before...

EL -8 = CR 1/4
EL -6 = CR 1/3
EL -4 = CR 1/2
EL -2 = CR 2/3

EL +2 = CR x1.5
EL +4 = CR x2
EL +6 = CR x3
EL +8 = CR x4

Example: Party of four CR 12 characters (PCR 12)

CR 3 = EL -8
CR 4 = EL -6
CR 6 = EL -4
CR 8 = EL -2

CR 18 = EL +2
CR 24 = EL +4 (50/50 chance)
CR 36 = EL +6
CR 48 = EL +8

Any comments.

 

[poilbrun]

I'll have these changes fixed for the formatted pdf version available next week.

Do you have any idea when that will be available? Will it give us a hint to what the layout of the IH will look like?

 

[Knight Otu]

Hi, Upper_Krust!

Have you seen the thread in GD by MerricB that reveals that the revisions for the Core Rule book will end up in the SRD? From that I would speculate that D&DG and the ELH will be opened at a similar time.

Also, it is possible that the revisions are the reason that the ELH errata is not out yet, maybe they want to incorporate the revisions. The ELH is, after all, highly dependant on the Core Rules.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi poilbrun mate!

Do you have any idea when that will be available?

Sometime shortly after Monday (the deadline for the Creature Collection 3 is this Monday and I have been concentrating on that this week).

Will it give us a hint to what the layout of the IH will look like?

Yes.

Which is of course something I want feedback on. I am using a font called 'VTPomp&CircumstanceChiseled' for some of the headings, the larger headings look great but the smallest (in lower case) may need changing...?

You can see the font here, where it says "WHATS NEW":

http://enworld.cyberstreet.com/hosted/Pozas/

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi, Upper_Krust!

Hi Knight Otu mate!

Have you seen the thread in GD by MerricB that reveals that the revisions for the Core Rule book will end up in the SRD?

*Goes and takes a look then comes back*

From that I would speculate that D&DG and the ELH will be opened at a similar time.

Logically that wouldn't make sense, a better idea would be to stagger the SRD updates.

If you don't stagger the updates then either:

1. They already have the D&Dg and ELH updates finished and are letting them stagnate for no conceivable reason.

OR

2. They are waiting to develop them all together thereby increasing the amount of work that needs to be done within a shorter space of time.

Both reasons are illogical.

More likely is that is that the release of the revised Core Rulebooks confirms the ELH and D&Dg should enter the SRD by March at the latest.

Also, it is possible that the revisions are the reason that the ELH errata is not out yet, maybe they want to incorporate the revisions. The ELH is, after all, highly dependant on the Core Rules.

I doubt if either the revisions or the errata will be as far reaching as that.

 

[Knight Otu]

Where is my clarity when I need it?

What I wanted to say is:

1. The thread confirms that the SRD is worked upon, which would put those two books into likely candidates for release in early to mid 2003.

2. The Revised Books SRD is likely to be the highest priority at the moment, meaning that other projects could stand back a bit.

3. The ELH errata has been pushed up in the priority lists of WotC quite some time ago, but no word has been out as to when it might see the light of day. I admit that there is wishful thinking at work, but one may dream, right?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Re: Where is my clarity when I need it?

Hello again mate!

What I wanted to say is:

1. The thread confirms that the SRD is worked upon, which would put those two books into likely candidates for release in early to mid 2003.

I have heard rumours of early 2003, but with my luck that could mean early December 2003.

2. The Revised Books SRD is likely to be the highest priority at the moment, meaning that other projects could stand back a bit.

It begs the question just how much work is needed to get a book entered into the SRD!? Deities & Demigods only has about 30 pages of actual mechanics.

3. The ELH errata has been pushed up in the priority lists of WotC quite some time ago, but no word has been out as to when it might see the light of day. I admit that there is wishful thinking at work, but one may dream, right?

If I don't hear something by the end of January I will go in via the back door. Even near infinite patience has its limits.