Use Magic Device

[Krafen]

Fail to activate, you mean?

If you fail to activate the scroll (unless you get a mishap, which can't happen with UMD anyway), nothing happens... the scroll is not expended. You can try again next time you have a standard action available (or whatever the activation time of the scroll is).

-Hyp.

The only restriction on trying again is if you roll a 1.

Try Again: Yes, but if you ever roll a natural 1 while attempting to activate an item and you fail, then you can’t try to activate that item again for 24 hours.

 

[Krafen]

I dont know what the scroll is yet and my first attempt i failed. So thats why i was wondering.

Yes, you can keep trying. Each attempt just takes longer than a check to activate an item.

Decipher a Written Spell: This usage works just like deciphering a written spell with the Spellcraft skill, except that the DC is 5 points higher. Deciphering a written spell requires 1 minute of concentration.

 

[Pinotage]

Right. In 3E, UMD to activate a scroll had a fixed DC, and provided a caster level based on your check result, allowing for the possibility of a successful UMD check, but a mishap through insufficient caster level.

In 3.5, UMD to activate a scroll has a variable DC dependent on the scroll's caster level, and thus you either successfully activate the scroll, or you don't activate the scroll at all. No chance of mishap.

-Hyp.

Yay! Confirms my hope. Thanks Hypersmurf!

Pinotage

 

[saucercrab]

UMD and UPD are different skills.

So, if using magic-psionic transparency, then either skill can be used for either type of device, but combined ranks are a no-no? That's a but hinky, but, oh well.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

So, if using magic-psionic transparency, then either skill can be used for either type of device, but combined ranks are a no-no? That's a but hinky, but, oh well.

Err... No.

If you want to use a magic device, you use Use Magic Device.

If you want to use a psionic device, you use Use Psionic Device.

They are separate skills - in all respects.

Note that magic-psionic transparency is the "base state" of D&D Psionics. If you could use the skills in such a fashion, each skill would say something to that effect.

 

[saucercrab]

Err... No.

If you want to use a magic device, you use Use Magic Device.

If you want to use a psionic device, you use Use Psionic Device.

They are separate skills - in all respects.

Note that magic-psionic transparency is the "base state" of D&D Psionics. If you could use the skills in such a fashion, each skill would say something to that effect.

Really? Hmm, could've sworn I read a post (either here or on Wizard's CO forum) that said magic-psionic transparency includes having UMD & UPD be interchangeable. I'll have to try to look that up.

Thanks.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Really? Hmm, could've sworn I read a post (either here or on Wizard's CO forum) that said magic-psionic transparency includes having UMD & UPD be interchangeable. I'll have to try to look that up.

There was a post here just a few days ago, in one of the "Psions are Overpowered!" threads that dealt with the psionic-magic transparency, but it mentioned how, even with transparency, they were separate skills in all respects. I'll look for that one for you, as well.

 

[saucercrab]

There was a post here just a few days ago, in one of the "Psions are Overpowered!" threads that dealt with the psionic-magic transparency, but it mentioned how, even with transparency, they were separate skills in all respects. I'll look for that one for you, as well.

No, I don't think that was it. I usually pass on those threads because I disagree. I'll be heading over to the Wizards boards later, so I'll check there. But thanks again.