D&D (2024) Using AI for Your Home Game

[ECMO3]

Transformers is ficitonal, Megatron is not stealing job of real-life artists, writers and now dungeon masters due to some technocratic obsession with destroying human creativity and deskilling the population through toys. And any writer who would try write now a pro-generative AI story would get blacklisted by me anyway, I've done that with Chip Zdarsky after that disgusting Batman story about Failsafe.

I have no "technocratic obsession with destroying human creativity" and I would argue I am pretty creative as a DM, probably not the best but pretty good. If AI becomes better than I am that is great.

You can blacklist anyone you want and make any choices you want as to what art you use and what DM you use. I would hope I could do the same without being ridiculed or vilified.

Strawman argument that boils down to "you are not allowed to criticise anything if you exist in society", it doesn't add anything to the discussion.

You implied that people are buying AI products because of a "technocratic obsession with destroying human creativity" and you are suggesting someone else's argument is a strawman?

 

[ECMO3]

double post

 

[ECMO3]

I don’t live “at one point or another.” I live now, and now is when real, current livelihoods are being ruined by AI.

I think far, far more are being helped by AI.

While we are talking about LLMs "stealing" from artists - is it stealing when I commission an artist to make me an image of my "Elf Ranger" NPC? When that artist gives me back an image of a slim girl in green leathers with pointy ears and a bow isn't he "stealing" from other artists and creatives in the same fashion as if I asked Bing to make me an image of an "Elf Ranger"?

I mean the artist I commissioned certainly did not come up with the idea of a pointy-eared Elf or a fantasy Ranger trope with a bow. By your logic he "stole" those ideas from other creatives, just like the LLM did. If he instead does a clean sheet, truly original design and makes me an "Elf Ranger" that is an insect-like character in Sci-Fi power armor, holding a laser gun it would in fact be inadequate and crap.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

My guess is AI could have written a much better argument.

But even my argument is still an argument and not an attack on someone saying something you don't like.

"Something you don't like" is a fancy way of describing thing that literally ruins people's lives and destroys their dreams using their own stolen work.

I have no "technocratic obsession with destroying human creativity" and I would argue I am pretty creative as a DM, probably not the best but pretty good. If AI becomes better than I am that is great.

You can blacklist anyone you want and make any choices you want as to what art you use and what DM you use. I would hope I could do the same without being ridiculed or vilified.



You implied that people are buying AI products because of a "technocratic obsession with destroying human creativity" and you are suggesting someone else's argument is a strawman?

A DM who resorts to using AI is by definition never a creative DM. Same goes for anyone using it. It's cheap, it's lazy, it shows utter lack of respect for anyone whom your "creative" work was supposed to be for. Why should anyone play in your game if you couldn't even bother making it?

Also, I AM being ridiculed and vilified. By people like you, the AI cultists. Why should I reserve respect to them if they have no respect for me or for the creators they stole from?

No, I have said the ones shoving this crap down our throat are the technocrats. I recommend this video

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

A DM who resorts to using AI is by definition never a creative DM. Same goes for anyone using it. It's cheap, it's lazy, it shows utter lack of respect for anyone whom your "creative" work was supposed to be for. Why should anyone play in your game if you couldn't even bother making it?

How is that different from a DM using a published campaign? Are they also by definition "never creative"?

 

[Not a Decepticon]

How is that different from a DM using a published campaign? Are they also by definition "never creative"?

Have you ever run one or are you just making assumptions? There is an actual work that goes into running the published modules. I find trying to sneak a snobbish "people who run modules are not real GM!" as a defense of PLAGIARISMBOT 3000 to be a double dose of insulting.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

I think far, far more are being helped by AI.

The helpful AI that is used in things like medicine, is not the same as the plagiarism machine, which does not help anyone except greedy ceo's that deliberatelly want to destroy jobs to devalue human labor.

 

[Sorcerers Apprentice]

Have you ever run one or are you just making assumptions? There is an actual work that goes into running the published modules. I find trying to sneak a snobbish "people who run modules are not real GM!" as a defense of PLAGIARISMBOT 3000 to be a double dose of insulting.

I have run several published campaigns with good results.

Have you ever used AI content as a DM or are you just making assumptions? What is the actual difference between using published content and generated content?

 

[ezo]

What it boils down to is AI is like a tool--ANY tool--which has the potential to help or to hinder.

Take calculators. Very useful. But when I saw a person once use a calculator for "2 + 5 =" and looked to it for the answer I cringed.

I use AI (art mostly) to help me be a BETTER DM for my players. Creating visuals which help them imagine what their characters see in the game, which I could attempt myself, but at much greater expense in time and effort and likely with worse restuls. AI art helps me for the quick fix when I need to whip up a town or NPC portrait or even to set an encounter scene.

Considering I would browse for open licence stuff online before for such needs, but often not quite get what I need, I find using AI much more effective.

As to the "AI stole my work" argument. In some cases it is true, but in most cases in my reading it isn't. AI uses open license and such from the web, which lacks ownership at that point. AI also uses work from commissioned artist who get paid for their work to help train AI. AI developers also hire artists in house to help with it. The same is true for other forms of creative works.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

I have run several published campaigns with good results.

Have you ever used AI content as a DM or are you just making assumptions? What is the actual difference between using published content and generated content?

The day I knowingly use ai will be the day I leave the hobby forever, thank you very much. I find the idea abhorrent and insulting to everything I stand for as a dm or player.

And comparing actual work of creative human being with a machine that spews words it was taught look good next to each other but does not understand their meaning, and it was taught on stolen labore people were not compensated for and whose very purpose is to ensure real people cannot live from being creative anymore...that is insulting to everyone who ever wrote anything, especially a module.