D&D 3E/3.5 v4: Challenge Ratings pdf (3.5 compatible)

[Upper_Krust]

Hi seasong mate!

I'm probably missing it somewhere. How are the summon spells broken down in this system?

I.e., what limits are set for a summon monster III?

Well you can either use the spell level itself (and treat it as a Spell-like ability);

or take the monsters CR (instead of caster level) and multiply it by half the monsters CR (instead of spell level), then multiply by the Uses modifier.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi there GPEKO!

Something like this (see below, it's not finished) ??

Looks pretty good so far.

By the way, great work Upper_Krust !

Hey thanks for the kind words!

But, after reading this, I stand with those who are in favor of adding the ability scores (not due to size of course...) to the calculation, somehow.

I'll see what v4.1 looks like tonight.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Hi CRGreathouse matey!



Why does it gain a CON score!? Its a construct!?

No, it's not. An incarnate construct is given life and an altered body. They eat, sleap, breathe, and dream. Their type changes to Humanoid or Giant (depending on size).

 

[kreynolds]

Technically it should be either called:

Fast Harming (Undead)
Fast Repair (Constructs)

The Maug from the FF has Rapid Repair, which makes more sense than Fast Healing. However, from a rules standpoint, there's really no difference between Fast/Rapid Repair or Fast Healing, so it doesn't make a difference anyway, except for semantics.

 

[xanatos]

I think its:
AC Bonus: +0.1/point
Attack Bonus: +0.1/point
Reach: +/-0.1/ft above/below 5 ft
Space: -0.2/size category above medium
Ability Scores: +/-0.1/point
Speed: +/-0.1/10 ft above/below 30 ft

This was your cost breakdown for Size... But there are some problems:
Let's take a Small Creature:
AC Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Attack Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Reach: 5 feet (0 CR)
Space: 0
Ability Scores: -4 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CON = -4 (-0.4 CR)
Speed: 20 ft (-0.1)

= -0.3 CR instead of -0.4 CR

There seem to be problem with Fine and Diminutive (but not with Tiny)

Another problem: you used 25 feet for the Reach of Colossal Creatures instead of the suggested 30 feet (MM 3.5 p. 314)

--- Bye

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hiya mate!

No, it's not. An incarnate construct is given life and an altered body. They eat, sleap, breathe, and dream. Their type changes to Humanoid or Giant (depending on size).

Whats the point of playing an intelligent construct and then totally changing everything it means to be a construct. Just seems a bit silly to me.

 

[seasong]

AC Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Attack Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Grapple Penalty: -4 (-0.1, based on Improved Grapple)
Reach: 5 feet (0 CR)
Space: 0
Ability Scores: -4 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CON = -4 (-0.4 CR)
Speed: 20 ft (-0.1)

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi kreynolds mate!

The Maug from the FF has Rapid Repair, which makes more sense than Fast Healing. However, from a rules standpoint, there's really no difference between Fast/Rapid Repair or Fast Healing, so it doesn't make a difference anyway, except for semantics.

Absolutely.

Though I still say Fast Healing should be EXtraordinary; whereas Regeneration should be SUpernatural.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi xanatos mate!

This was your cost breakdown for Size... But there are some problems:
Let's take a Small Creature:
AC Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Attack Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Reach: 5 feet (0 CR)
Space: 0
Ability Scores: -4 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CON = -4 (-0.4 CR)
Speed: 20 ft (-0.1)

= -0.3 CR instead of -0.4 CR

There seem to be problem with Fine and Diminutive (but not with Tiny)

Another problem: you used 25 feet for the Reach of Colossal Creatures instead of the suggested 30 feet (MM 3.5 p. 314)

Maybe when I was outlining the individual facets I forgot to mention Weight Allowance.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey seasong mate!

AC Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Attack Bonus: +1 (+0.1 CR)
Grapple Penalty: -4 (-0.1, based on Improved Grapple)
Reach: 5 feet (0 CR)
Space: 0
Ability Scores: -4 STR, +2 DEX, -2 CON = -4 (-0.4 CR)
Speed: 20 ft (-0.1)

Grapple Bonus is negated by Hide Bonus.