Value of Slaves
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roguerouge
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For discussion on the importance of play in psychological and social development see the thread on this Sunday's New York Times Magazine's lead article, "Taking Play Seriously," at: http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?p=4055533#post4055533
roguerouge
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S'mon said:
For an alternate view, others might consult the wikipedia entry, which provides a decent primer from the other side of the gallery. It begins:
"Consciousness raising (often abbreviated c.r.) is a form of political activism, pioneered by United States radical feminists in the late 1960s. It often takes the form of a group of people attempting to focus the attention of a wider group of people on some cause or condition. It is the first half of the adage "Admitting the problem is half the battle."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness_raising
HeavenShallBurn
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It's no less a form of indoctrination than any other and no more valid. It's just currently in fashion while other forms have become less so. Beyond that this discussion is really starting to verge into potentially mod-attracting venues. Perhaps that discussion should be moved elsewhere.roguerouge said:
Alzrius
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roguerouge said:
I'm honestly not sure why you're posting this here. Are you suggesting that this article somehow lends weight to your assertion that engaging in fantasies not only necessarily reveals insight into a person's character/mental health, but also shapes their personality?
If so, then I don't think that article lends any weight to your assertions. Not only does it not back them up, but it's dealing largely physical playing in the development of children - that's not the same as mentally- and emotionally-mature adults engaging in a primarily imaginative fantasy, at all.
I just don't see what you think that article proves.
FreeTheSlaves
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I don't think we can use the term indoctrination can we? I mean, freely engaging in a discussion of an issue using reasoned debate, is hardly indoctrination.HeavenShallBurn said:
Happy Presidents Day
Feb 18th is the day when American celebrates President's Day, the day commemorating the February birthdays of our slaveholding first President, Washington, and the man who wrote the Emancipation Proclamation (ending slavery in areas in rebellion as of mid-1862), signed the 13th Amendment (banning slavery everywhere in the US), and was assassinated for leading the Union to victory over the slaveholding Confederacy.
February's also Black History Month in America . . .
So, anyhow, I went to an exhibit today at the Seattle Museum of History and Industry about Lincoln and the Constitution (interesting -- after all, they had his hat) and the Civil War in the Northwest (I was curious about this, but it's only of local interest).
It had one startling thing to say about the value of slaves. As of the beginning of the Civil War, slaves were the most valuable form of "property" in the US -- worth more than all the real estate put together, or all the factories, etc. I forget the exact figure, but I think it was something like worth 1/3 more than all the property -- which would be the same US as now, minus Hawaii, Alaska, and 150 years of development. So, slaves were valuable, I'd say.
A few people have mentioned the British navy ending the slave trade. From a global perspective, that's true. But from a US perspective, it's not. The US ended the importation of slaves on Jan 1, 1808, the earliest date allowed according to the compromise constitution Americans accepted 20 years earlier and still live under. The British navy began anti-slave-traficker patrols in 1807, but it didn't stop Brazil and other countries from importing slaves for many more decades.
As for the value of slaves in D&D . . . I remember in the "Temple of Elemental Evil" computer game, someone in Nulb was selling a slave. I bought them, to release them of course. I forget their stats -- I believe Commoner or Rogue 1 -- but I believe the slave was a young adult human female. There were also prisoners of various genders, classes, levels, and races in the Temple itself. Too bad TOEE doesn't seem to work with XP SP2. Not at all . . . I assume it's no better with Vista.
Anyhow, the slave in Nulb costs 500 gp, in the TOEE computer game, if I recall correctly, and for some odd reason, I usually do.
Feb 18th is the day when American celebrates President's Day, the day commemorating the February birthdays of our slaveholding first President, Washington, and the man who wrote the Emancipation Proclamation (ending slavery in areas in rebellion as of mid-1862), signed the 13th Amendment (banning slavery everywhere in the US), and was assassinated for leading the Union to victory over the slaveholding Confederacy.
February's also Black History Month in America . . .
So, anyhow, I went to an exhibit today at the Seattle Museum of History and Industry about Lincoln and the Constitution (interesting -- after all, they had his hat) and the Civil War in the Northwest (I was curious about this, but it's only of local interest).
It had one startling thing to say about the value of slaves. As of the beginning of the Civil War, slaves were the most valuable form of "property" in the US -- worth more than all the real estate put together, or all the factories, etc. I forget the exact figure, but I think it was something like worth 1/3 more than all the property -- which would be the same US as now, minus Hawaii, Alaska, and 150 years of development. So, slaves were valuable, I'd say.
A few people have mentioned the British navy ending the slave trade. From a global perspective, that's true. But from a US perspective, it's not. The US ended the importation of slaves on Jan 1, 1808, the earliest date allowed according to the compromise constitution Americans accepted 20 years earlier and still live under. The British navy began anti-slave-traficker patrols in 1807, but it didn't stop Brazil and other countries from importing slaves for many more decades.
As for the value of slaves in D&D . . . I remember in the "Temple of Elemental Evil" computer game, someone in Nulb was selling a slave. I bought them, to release them of course. I forget their stats -- I believe Commoner or Rogue 1 -- but I believe the slave was a young adult human female. There were also prisoners of various genders, classes, levels, and races in the Temple itself. Too bad TOEE doesn't seem to work with XP SP2. Not at all . . . I assume it's no better with Vista.
Anyhow, the slave in Nulb costs 500 gp, in the TOEE computer game, if I recall correctly, and for some odd reason, I usually do.
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