Vampire Question

[LordBOB]

unfortunantly the VAMP wasnt introduced into our party and we are still waiting for the player to show up and get his character

 

[Saeviomagy]

Again with your assumptions. Is that a hobby of yours or a compulsion?

More assumptions. Must be a compulsion. Make all the assumptions you want, it really does make an ASS out of U, not ME.
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Here's the thing about assumptions - they're a valuable tool. If I explain my assumption to you, and you refute it in a polite and intelligent manner, then I gain some understanding of the situation. If you don't refute it, then again - I gain some understanding of the situation - namely that the situation is as I had assumed.

It is only when I ACT on the assumption without confirming it that anyone is going to suffer.

It's not my "vampires must eat people" line. You're the one that came up with that. Take credit for your own fallacies and don't try passing them off as others' ideas.

You brought up the possibility that a vampire could not gain sustainence from animals. Further you seem to classify feeding from animals as some sort of horrendous evil act.

Hey! You're finally getting it! Those are the reasons WHY a paladin doesn't work with a Vampire! That's why a paladin that does work with a Vampire and let's (and by "let's", I mean not making the Vamp answer for its actions sooner or later) a Vampire feed on someone isn't going to be a paladin much longer! Good job! You finally clued in!

Eating meat = murder. Humans cannot gain sufficient sustainence from vegetables. Therefore paladins cannot adventure with anyone who is not a vegetarian. That's the sort of leap that you're making to say "paladins can never adventure with a vampire".

Maybe you should join the Olympic track team where you're at. You're so good at jumping to conclusions, I don't think anyone could out jump you!

Maybe you could actually put forward a convincing argument here, instead of ad-hominem stuff...

Torture is an evil act. Desecrating/mutilating corpses is an evil act.

Sure - but drinking someone's blood isn't necessarily torture. My dictionaries primary entry for "torture", and the only one which doesn't mean that paladins cannot attack another creature, is "The infliction of severe bodily pain, as punishment or a means of persuasion". Drinking someone's blood to live doesn't come under that heading.

The only one which it MIGHT come under is "A cause of severe pain or anguish", which basically covers any violence caused to a person... And that means the paladin can't take part in adventuring AT ALL.

Drinking people's blood, straight from the vein/artery is an act that follows an assault on someone else, which is also a crime (and thus an evil act).

Oh, you mean like saving the world?

None of these have to do with being vegetarian or being a pacifist.

You just said that anything that follows an assault on someone is a crime. Prior to that you said that causing anything (including animals) harm was evil.

 

[lonesoldier]

>_>

Personally IMC (And I run by the RAW) I would say that unless the Vampire is attempting to be good then the paladin would have to put him down, or something to that extent. I would also say, that the draining animals is okay, because it's MUCH MUCH better than draining humans. Though, if the vamp is smart he will attempt to dominate the paladin first chance, while faking a 'redemption' scheme and then drain the pally dry.

When in doubt, just think. WWLD? (What would Lone do?)

 

[ThirdWizard]

My party recently fought a vamp. They couldn't kill him (permanently at least) so they made a deal with his master so now he has to feed off the local wildlife. They'll leave them both alone so long as no people are attacked. Worked out quite well. He's still evil, though.

I think a paladin and good vampire duo would be interesting. The paladin could feed the vampire when he is in need. Of course, I've been watching Tsukuyomi Moon Phase with a "nice" vampire in it and the main character lets the vampire girl feed off him once a month, so maybe I'm being influenced by that.

 

[lonesoldier]

Allright, I have another vamp question. Do vampires gain the bonuses and penalties for aging? Or just the bonuses? Or something?

 

[ThirdWizard]

Allright, I have another vamp question. Do vampires gain the bonuses and penalties for aging? Or just the bonuses? Or something?

Just bonuses, I think. They definately don't accrue penalties. People debate over whether or not undead gain the bonuses for aging, but I believe that they should.