Vegetarians and the Single Man

Well here is old Doc Luddite's diet and health plan:

Stop eating crap.
Get off your bottom.

(Edited for Eric's grandmothers :) )

I also belive that the less process your ingredients are before you use them, the better off you will be.

Other key points that other have bought up.

  • Moderation
  • Mosswood cookbook and resturant
  • Indain and Chiense (as well as other asian) cuisine

Be leary of any "new idea" in dietary tought. Milk has gone from good for you, to bad for you, to good for you again. Depending on who you ask. Also everyone has different dietary needs. Bodys are all different so you should learn what is healthy for you may not be healthy for someone else.

-The Luddite
 

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Sialia Best frozen vegetarian entree: [url="http://www.gardenburger.com/products/MeatlessRiblets.htm" said:
http://www.gardenburger.com/products/MeatlessRiblets.htm[/url].

Mmmm...riblets. :p These really are pretty good.

My vegetarian wife and I have been together about 6 years now, and I've had to gather up a number of veggie recipes, since I do a lot of the cooking. I've got a great one for vegetarian stuffed peppers, made with rice and cheese, and stir-frys are my friend.

I'm at work, but I'll pore over my vegetarian cookbooks tonight and put together some actual recipes.

But Sialia brings up a good point: the existence of pre-packaged frozen faux meat. Opinions will differ greatly on this stuff, but I think some of it is pretty good. The aforementioned Riblets are great on rolls. Does anyone remember McDonald's McRib sandwich? It's like that, only much better, and not made of pork. Morningstar Farms makes the best veggie hot dog out there (and I'm not sure most hot dogs really contain any "meat", anyway...), and they make a veggie corn dog that's fun, if conceptually inappropriate. There are any number of TVP ("textured vegetable protein") cheats out there. Seitan isn't bad replacing beef strips in stir-fry, and Boca Burger makes TVP crumbles that can substitute for ground beef in SOME recipes...in others it's just inadequate. OK in chili, decent in a pasta sauce (but good in "meat" lasagna), not-so-good in sloppy joes, and don't go there with tacos.

I'll repeat what's been said before...trying to go vegetarian AND low-carb/high-protein is not easy to do. My wife developed diabetes when she was pregnant, and had to cut out a lot of carbs. And just about everything I mentioned in the previous paragraph is pretty high-carb. It's possible, but you can only eat so many lentils before you lose the will to live. ;)
 

I've been a vegetarian for 19 years - the food is easy.

With a lot of italian pastas you can just swap the meat for tofu. Works great for spagetti and lasangna for example. With spagetti it's especially nice if you also add walnuts - though the tofu turns purple. :D

Look to asian dishes. Chinese Indian and Thai in particular. Tofu curries are great - a bunch of mixed veggies, tofu, and a spicy curry over asian rice (the sticky stuff). Use a cocunut curry and the dish takes on a thai feeling. Good veggies for this are the same sorts one might put in a stew: carrots, potatoes, onions, brocoli, bell peppers, etc... (you can just look at the list of items in some of the veggie mixes in the frozen section of the grocery store, then go over to produce and get fresh versions of them).

Mexican food also works great - and again often you can just slide in tofu where meat used to sit with little change to anything else. But remember to buy the vegetarian beans in the store, not the ones with lard in the mix...

Also: Why is she a vegetarian? Faux meat can really annoy some of us. I'll gag on it just as fast as I will on the real stuff. The taste and smell of meats is nausious to me.
 
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Kahuna Burger said:
your hope is hopeless... :( The mere mention of vegitarianism in any context will bring out the flamers, who will belittle and insult. It just happens... I've worked it into an overall theory that when the average person cannot or isn't willing to do without X, they become very hostile to someone who does. No matter what the motivation or attitude of the non-Xer, the Xer takes it as an attack on their practice and attacks back.
I just do it so other people can live their martyr dreams.

It's really altruistic when you think about it.
 

Okay, randomly agreeing with many people. I went veggie when I started college, and I've never gone back. My wife and I were both veggie before we met, so we never had to deal with it from the "Oops, how do I?" standpoint.

People have already given a lot of great advice. Here's my attempt to offer a few personal insights:

1) You can find a decent substitute for just about any kind of meat. It won't be the same, but it will be something. There are a zillion different fake-burgers. We have fake hot dogs (the spicy kind, which I think even my carnivore dad liked better than real ones) when tailgating before football games. We eat veggie buffalo wings while watching football on TV. (Um, hi, my wife likes football a lot, so who am I to complain?)

2) Protein is usually not a problem. You can get it from beans and pasta, and if you're not a vegan, you can get it from eggs. My wife and I do a mix of pasta, eggs, and Jamba Juices with Protein Boost throughout the week. (Mmmm, smoooooothies) Red beans and brown rice is kind of a classic white-trash vegetarian complete protein deal.

3) What is important is that you don't do what I did when I went veggie, which is to take away meat and not change anything else. I ate salads and bread for about a year and a half, and then, when I came home one Christmas, my mom said that I looked gray. Turned out I'd not gotten enough iron. Make sure to add foods with iron in them to help out on that front, unless you like being tired and dizzy all the time.

The darker green the food, generally speaking, the more iron it has. Cooking in an iron skillet puts a lot more iron into the food, which is also good. Do not drink black tea during or immediately after food -- it does a neat chemical reaction that causes it to bind with the iron, which means that you don't get very much iron absorbed into your body, regardless of how much spinach and broccoli you just ate.

4) Take a multivitamin supplement. It's easier than trying to remember to eat some root you've never heard of in order to get some vitamin that only appears in meat and that weird root. Centrum or something like that is fine.

5) If you do go vegetarian, be clear on your reasons, and develop a game-plan. Figure out your ettiquette, so that you don't get all awkward when someone suggests that you just pick the pieces of meat off the pizza.

For example, I don't buy cheese made from animal rennet. However, at a restaurant, when there's a good chance that the only vegetarian option is some pasta covered with Parmesan cheese (which almost always contains animal rennet), I turn a blind eye rather than be obnoxious. I will, however, ask if the soup is made from animal stock, and if it is, I'll just have a salad instead. At barbecues, I ask that my veggie burger or kabob not be touching the meat stuff (or, like, right next to it where the juicy meat spatter will get onto it), but I understand that not everyone cleans their grill between each use -- I compromise by assuming that any meat products that were left on the grill beforehand have likely been charred away to nothing, so putting a veggie burger on a spot that had meat on it awhile ago is alright.

6) Finally, if you do go veggie, and you stay that way for longer than a month or so, don't just try to wade back into the meat. After a month (I think) or so, your body stops producing the enzymes that break down meat, which means that if you "break" your veggie fast by having a bigass bacon-double-cheeseburger, you are going to have some really fascinating digestive issues for the next day or so. I've accidentally eaten meat twice, I think -- and both times, I spent a lot of time in the bathroom for the next day.

Summary: It's do-able, and if you're willing to compromise on some stuff, you can do it and still be social and still go to restaurants and such. It's a lot easier in some areas than in others -- I live in Bay Area California, and when I went to my father-in-law's sun-dance in Oklahoma, my wife and I had the "Okay, whatever doesn't have meat in it" approach to life. Turned out that there was a Bennigans that had veggieburgers, and they even took the bacon bits off the salad for us. Very nice and very polite, although they probably thought we were a bit weird for our vegetarianism. If you show that you are not making an issue of it, it will rarely become an issue for others. The only person who consistently bugs me about it is my one idiot uncle, who seems very threatened by the fact that I don't eat meat. (Kahuna Burger made a good point in this regard.) I resign myself to getting one lame comment about it per family get-together, and I deal.
 

takyris said:
Do not drink black tea during or immediately after food -- it does a neat chemical reaction that causes it to bind with the iron, which means that you don't get very much iron absorbed into your body, regardless of how much spinach and broccoli you just ate.

can you provide some documentation for this for me?

as an avid tea drinker who has had iron problems in the past i am interested.
 

http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNotes/Concern/Iron_Deficiency.htm

Not perfect, but if you do a search for "Tea", you'll find something that says:

"Vegetarians eat less iron than non-vegetarians, and the iron they eat is somewhat less absorbable. As a result, vegetarians are more likely to have reduced iron stores.2 Vegetarians can increase their iron intake by emphasizing iron-containing foods within their diet (see above), or in some cases by supplementing iron, if needed.

Coffee interferes with the absorption of iron.3 However, moderate intake of coffee (4 cups per day) may not adversely affect risk of iron-deficiency anemia when the diet contains adequate amounts of iron and vitamin C.4 Black tea contains tannins that strongly inhibit the absorption of non-heme iron. In fact, this iron-blocking effect is so effective that drinking black tea can help treat hemochromatosis, a disease of iron overload.5 Consequently, people who are iron deficient should avoid drinking tea."

Non-heme iron is, if I'm not mistaken, a fancy way of saying "iron that doesn't come from meat". So, if you're eating meat and getting iron that way, all is good. But if you're a vegetarian, and you get most of your iron from spinach and broccoli and other green vegetables, drinking tea during or right after dinner is not a great idea.

Anyway, that's what my dietician told me (when my mom made me go see one after I became anemic :) ). I just got that link from doing a google search of "iron deficiency tea". If it turns out to be an old wives' tale, my bad, but I've seen it in at least somewhat scientific sources.
 



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