Vow of Poverty and CWI

[Kershek]

Can a druid with a Vow of Poverty take Create Wondrous Item? Instead of just giving his share of treasure from adventuring to Good organizations, can he make magic items for them? How about making magic items for the party?

If someone else has a magic item creation feat, can he provide spells necessary for the other spellcaster to create an item?

 

[Artoomis]

Can a druid with a Vow of Poverty take Create Wondrous Item? Instead of just giving his share of treasure from adventuring to Good organizations, can he make magic items for them? How about making magic items for the party?

If someone else has a magic item creation feat, can he provide spells necessary for the other spellcaster to create an item?

Absolutely. Create away!!

You'll use your own experience points, someone else's money, and create items for others (you can't own them). If that floats your boat, go for it!!

 

[andargor]

Make sure you use their share of money to make them items. Your share has to be given away to your good organization.

Andargor

 

[Kershek]

So someone with a vow of poverty doesn't have dogma that would conflict with him making magic items for his rich adventuring buddies instead of making them for "needy" good organizations? That's one point of contention I thought there would be.

The other point of contention is the fact that he would be handling a magic item over the days required for item creation. Even though it's not "finished"....

If neither of these items are a problem, then great!

 

[Artoomis]

So someone with a vow of poverty doesn't have dogma that would conflict with him making magic items for his rich adventuring buddies instead of making them for "needy" good organizations? That's one point of contention I thought there would be.

The other point of contention is the fact that he would be handling a magic item over the days required for item creation. Even though it's not "finished"....

If neither of these items are a problem, then great!

Nothing in the VoP's vows prevent him doing contract work. This is contract work.

He should be paid for his time, and donate the pay to some worthy cause.

Without pay, it would probably be fine, too. It is one of his contributions to overall success.

 

[Kershek]

Thanks for the responses. I sent a message to custserv with the same question and they concurred:

The Vow of Poverty limits the items the character with that feat can keep, but does not limit their involvement in the creation of such items. If he has the appropriate magic item creation feats and is making the item for charitable purposes, or in exchange for something that can be considered charitable (such as making a weapon for a party member who is actively defending innocent people or is on a quest to defeat evil), then this is allowed.

He may also provide the spells necessary to aid in the creation of magic items if the creation of that item fits the above criteria.

Thanks!

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[James McMurray]

I wouldn't allow it to be used to make items for the party. The VoP character's share of the treasure is supposed to be gone. Its absence balances the VoP's abilities. If the character instead transfers that money to other characters by crafting them items, the share is not gone at all, its just been doubled and then redistributed (at the cost of XP).

 

[Kershek]

James: Well, no, I would not use the druid's share of money to make items for the party - that money would be donated properly. Any items the party wants would have to be paid for by their own money.

Now, if a good organization was looking for an item the druid could create, then he could use some of his share to make the item, then donate the item and the remaining of his share to the organization.

 

[Pax]

Do one better: get "Magical Artisan (Wondrous Items)" for a 25% discount on the item creation costs (both GP and XP). Charge the other PC's undiscounted creation costs ... and donate the difference to soup kitchens and the like.

The other PCs profit by getting cheaper magic items; the druid double-profits by benefitting the poor and strengthening known champions of good in their ongoing fight against the forces of evil and darkness. OH, and a whole LOT of poor folks get to eat. ^_^

 

[sierzadon]

Vow of poverty and loot

A related issue should be however a character with a vow of poverty can carry "loot" from encounters the party has been in.

He doesn't actually own until it has been divided or sold, and if an item should turn up in his share of dividing the spoils of adventuring - does he break his vow when accepting it?

Quote from Feat Description:
" You may not, "borrow" a cloak of resistance or any other magic item from a companion for even a single round..."

The pragmatic approach must be that a character can carry a cloak of resistance for another character, and he can carry a cloak of resistance that is his, as long as he doesn't use it, and sells it or donates it as soon as he has a practical chance of doing so?