Vow of Poverty + Soulknife

[Evil DM]

Hi folks,

does the Vow of Poverty Feat allow a Soulknife to have his blade? Sure it is not a physical thing he owns but it is something.

Do you think it is okay?

Sounds like a good Power Combo though.

Cheers, Evil DM

 

[Question]

Sure, the soul knife is manifesting the blade. He does not own it on a permanent basis.

 

[Drowbane]

Hi folks,

does the Vow of Poverty Feat allow a Soulknife to have his blade? Sure it is not a physical thing he owns but it is something.

Do you think it is okay?

Sounds like a good Power Combo though.

Cheers, Evil DM

Does Vow of Poverty allow your Psion to manifest Bolts of energy, or telekinetically throw things at the enemies? Does your VoP Druid still gain an Animal Companion (easily worth more than the psi-blade )?

Of course! They are class features, not "items". A VoP Paladin / Vassel of Bahamut would still be able to use and wear his Platinum Armor because it is derived as a Class Feature (and is in fact worthless for anyone else).

VoP Soulknife does have a certain appeal... but it is no where near as powerful as a VoP Monk 1 / Druid X

 

[vulcan_idic]

A VoP Paladin / Vassel of Bahamut would still be able to use and wear his Platinum Armor because it is derived as a Class Feature (and is in fact worthless for anyone else).

While I agree with the gist of yours and others' posts, I believe this specific instance would not work as it seems to go against the spirit of the feat if not necessarily the letter of it and I believe I recall - though I don't have the reference on me - has been stated as such formally somewhere.

 

[cmanos]

I would allow it. As it is not actually a physical weapon, but an extension of the soulknives being, disallowing it would be precedent for disallowing many things. A cleric with VoP would not be able to use Spiritual Weapon, Shielf of Faith or Shield of Law...if they can in fact even own a holy symbol to use as a divine focus. I don't usually allow Exalted feats so I am not 100% sure what is allowed, but I would allow a soulknife to keep his soulknife. Disallowing it would be like disallowing a Fighter his bonus fighter feats, or a mage her spellcasting ability.

 

[RigaMortus2]

VoP + soulmelder levels is also another good combo. Either Totemist or Incarnate.

 

[moritheil]

I would allow it. As it is not actually a physical weapon, but an extension of the soulknives being, disallowing it would be precedent for disallowing many things. A cleric with VoP would not be able to use Spiritual Weapon, Shielf of Faith or Shield of Law...if they can in fact even own a holy symbol to use as a divine focus. I don't usually allow Exalted feats so I am not 100% sure what is allowed, but I would allow a soulknife to keep his soulknife. Disallowing it would be like disallowing a Fighter his bonus fighter feats, or a mage her spellcasting ability.

A simple holy symbol is allowed by VoP. At any rate, there is no actual market value or worth attached to a soulknife's blade, as it is worthless to others. The basic idea of VoP is that anything with a market value you cannot use and must sell to donate the proceeds to charity - save for a holy symbol, a waterskin, a loaf of bread, and at most one simple weapon.

 

[irdeggman]

I asked the same question on the WotC boards a while ago.

http://boardsold.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=612037

 

[irdeggman]

A simple holy symbol is allowed by VoP.

Actually a holy symbol is not on the list of things that can be "owned".

IN the Save My game articles on Vow of Poverty they also make reference to the fact that a character can't have a holy symbol if he takes the vow of poverty.

 

[javcs]

Actually a holy symbol is not on the list of things that can be "owned".

IN the Save My game articles on Vow of Poverty they also make reference to the fact that a character can't have a holy symbol if he takes the vow of poverty.

Now that's cold.
I'd probably let one of my PC's (if I let them take VoP) keep their basic 1gp holy symbol, otherwise it just wouldn't make sense - the majority of simple weapons cost more than 1gp, the exceptions are club, quarterstaff, shortspear, your fists, javelin, sling(and ammo), and crossbow ammo.