Wand- Enervation+Improved Invis+Nondection=...

[DarkJester]

Anything without blindsight dead?
Is this a valid tactic?
Non-Detection that it prevents dection of the character by divinations,and see invisibilty is a divination....Seems a little to strong though.

If this doesn't work,would mind blank work in place of non-dection?

 

[Magus_Jerel]

Nondetection = you get a caster level check for the divination to work. - so this has about a 50% shot of working.



Now if the caster level check works for the PC - the jig is up.

- yeah... until the brainy PC does the following.
ready action =

When I see that enveneration bolt seem to origonate from "nowhere" - I cast fireball (or dispel magic) at that exact point. This is why grenades were invented... And what is fireball but a magical grenade?

This is why you use haste - and make ABSOULTELY sure to zap the guy not wearing any armor (the arcane caster) or the guy with the holy symbols prominently displayed (usually the cleric). When you are chucking 2d4 negative energy levels a round off the wand - it is going to hurt real fast, real quick.

Deadly combo - throw in feeblemind around CR 9 or 10 from said sor/wiz

 

[James McMurray]

From the SRD:

The warded creature or object becomes difficult to detect by divination spells such as clairaudience/clairvoyance, locate object, and detection spells. Nondetection also prevents location by such magic items as crystal balls. If a divination is attempted against the warded creature or item, the caster of the divination must succeed at a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against a DC of 11 + the caster level of the spellcaster who cast nondetection. If the character cast nondetection on the character's self or on an item currently in the character's possession, the DC is 15 + the character's caster level.

If cast on a creature, nondetection wards the creature’s gear as well as the creature itself.

See invisibility is nothing like those examples. It affects the caster, giving him enhanced sight. I would rule that nondetection has no effect on it at all.

 

[Henrix]

I wholly agree with James.

 

[Baron Von StarBlade]

See invisibility is nothing like those examples. It affects the caster, giving him enhanced sight. I would rule that nondetection has no effect on it at all.

That text specifially says:

If a divination is attempted. . .

It doesn't say if one of the above listed divination spell is attempted. Therefore all divination spells are affected by this. Since See Invisible is a divination it would fall under this category. At least with this spell you get a roll to overcome it. . Mindblank is much worse and is pretty much impossible to overcome.

Just my $.02

 

[KarinsDad]

Yup.

Nondetection can stop See Invisible. That is, if the caster of See Invisibility fails the Nondetection DC.

Think of Nondetection as Spell Resistance against divination spells.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Nondetection foils discern location, foresight (with respect to the warded creatyure), true strike, see invisibility, wish, magic missile, cone of cold, melee attacks, and Bluff checks.

 

[Henrix]

If the intention had been that Nondetection should stop all divination spells, they would not have had to delimitate what divination spells it protects from.

Do you think that Nondetectecton would stop Comprehend Languages as well?

 

[Iku Rex]

Is this a valid tactic?

Sure. But there are plenty of ways to avoid/find an invisible caster without See Invisible, like Faerie Fire, Glitterdust, Scent, Spot, and Listen. Or you can just hide (Invisibility, Obscuring mist etc.).

Non-Detection that it prevents dection of the character by divinations,and see invisibilty is a divination...

Yup. (This has been confirmed by the Sage.)

If this doesn't work,would mind blank work in place of non-dection?

According to the Sage, Mind Blank isn't supposed to work as written, so "no". (We had a looong thread about this a while back. )

 

[James McMurray]

Yup. (This has been confirmed by the Sage.)

And as we all know, the Sage is infallible. I would suggest people take more time to study issues themselves rather than try to rely on the dubious judgement of Skip Williams. Many times his rulings have no basis in the rules themselves, and appear to just be his preferred method of dealing with things. If you want to allow nondetection to neagate each and every divination spell, rather than those who act in a manner similar to the examples, thats all well and good, but please do it on your own reasonings instead of listening to that guy.

[EDIT] Tried to make it less of a personal attack on the Sage[/EDIT]