Warforged adamantine body = adamantine slam?

[Staffan]

Are you saying a warforged slam is somehow different than unarmed attack?

Yes. For one thing, you don't get iterative attacks with the slam (though there's a feat in Races of Eberron you can take that gives you a second slam at -5).

 

[moritheil]

What is your point? This is a function of the feat and the nature of the race, not a class ability. The composite construction of a warforged amounts to armor. It is functionally armor, it takes the slot of armor, it counts as armor for class abilities. Why is it such a leap to say it IS armor?

Because a conditional effect that is armor under most conditions is not exactly the same as actual armor. If it were, they wouldn't bother with all that complicated wording; they'd just say something like "You now permanently have adamantine armor."

Are you saying a warforged slam is somehow different than unarmed attack? Are you implying that a warforged monk wouldn't function the same as a humanoid monk?

That's exactly what he's saying.

You are ignoring the content of my post to nitpick word choice. It is inhearent armor, armor that is part of the character's origins. But in all ways, it functions as armor. In this case, heavy armor. Why would there be so much effort in refering to the composite contruction in general and adamantine body in specific as armor if this were not the case.


That isn't worth much, since he says it was poorly written.

Do you realize the inherent contradiction in brushing aside word choice to claim some essential meaning that only you properly understand, and then brushing aside another post because the word choice in it was bad? Word choice either does or does not matter; please pick one and stick with it.

 

[LokiDR]

And the adamantine isn't "bolted". When the warforged is being created, the Cannith heirs channel their dragonmarks into the creation forge, in a way similar to major creation and fabricate. The materials that make up a warforged are created by magic, and degrade if taken away.

Out of curiousity, where does it say the materials degrade if taken away?

 

[Klaus]

Dragonshard article "The Warforged - Part I", at the WotC site.

Dragonshard articles are considered canon, having to go through R&D department at WotC.

 

[moritheil]

Out of curiousity, where does it say the materials degrade if taken away?

Out of curiosity, would you mind stating whether or not word choice matters?

And, well, if it's not too much trouble, responding to at least some of the myriad posts that address your comment concerning IUS and slam attacks?

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

No, it doesn't. It says you are considered to be wearing heavy armor for purposes of class abilities that depend on armor use.

It does say what I said it does, as you just repeated. The relevant portion to me is the first half of the sentence. It is, in almost all ways, adamantine armor bolted on you.

That's...amazing. Attempting to pretend that an entire clause isn't there because it modifies the first clause in a way that's disagreeable to the poster's argument. And claiming that everyone else must also ignore the modifying clause simply because he doesn't want to admit it's there...

It states that, for the purposes of class abilities that depend on armour use, you are considered to be wearing heavy armour. This does not mean that you are wearing heavy armour, only that you count as wearing heavy armour for some purposes, but not others, the latter part being implied by the mention of the purposes for which you are considered to be wearing heavy armour.

Edit:
And as a bit of a reducio, they could make a feat called Armour Hat which reads "When wearing a hat, you are considered to be wearing heavy armour for the purposes of class abilities that depend on armour use."

If such a feat existed, and a character took the feat, and stripped naked except for a straw hat, would you claim that the character was in fact literally wearing heavy armour, as you do for the warforged?

...isn't it funny how flavour and descriptive text has absolutely no effect on mechanics in D&D?