Warforged: Like them or loathe them?

[WhimsyTheFae]

That's not true, at all.

That's their origin in Eberron - but in another setting, they could have a completely different origin.

Well, if they kept the name, I would assume that their origin would at least involve them being forged for (or in) war. Otherwise, you're naming a race in a way that is similar to calling a large man Tiny.

 

[Tewligan]

Other than the fact that no where is it mentioned that Warforged are listed as a PHB1 race, and the playtest articles are for a converted Eberron game, it's fairly obvious that they will exist, but in the Eberron setting, not the default setting.

Yeah, because there's no precedent for putting setting-specific material in a core book. Why, that would be as silly as if they had put the Red Wizards of Thay prestige class in the 3.5 DMG!

 

[Merlion]

While I think that warforged are cool, I would be very upset if the were in the PHB, while other staple races (such as gnomes) might be getting the boot.

This is pretty much my feeling. The Warforged are interesting, and work well for some settings, but they don't really fit very well, IMO, in a "standard" fantasy setting. Especially not as a basic assumed player race.

I also agree that they most certainly should not be included over "staple" races. Much as I feel about classes like the Warlord.

 

[Merlion]

Yeah, because there's no precedent for putting setting-specific material in a core book. Why, that would be as silly as if they had put the Red Wizards of Thay prestige class in the 3.5 DMG!

The Red Wizard of Thay class was specifically included in the DMG (not the PH, theres a difference) as an example to DMs of setting specific prestige classes.

Remember also though that the nature of the RWOT class is such that it could easily be used under another name as a "super specialist" prestige class in any setting.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Yeah, because there's no precedent for putting setting-specific material in a core book. Why, that would be as silly as if they had put the Red Wizards of Thay prestige class in the 3.5 DMG!

That's a huge difference. A single PrC in the DMG that is there solely to showcase setting-specific PrCs is a far shot from a whole new PC race in the PHB.

Plus, evil, power-hungry, slave-taking, warmongering wizards can be put into a game a lot easier than soul-mech rip-offs.

 

[Stone Dog]

Yeah, because there's no precedent for putting setting-specific material in a core book. Why, that would be as silly as if they had put the Red Wizards of Thay prestige class in the 3.5 DMG!

Red Wizards fit in just about everywhere you can use a society of scheming, ceremonial wizards. Most campaign settings can have an opening for that sort of villain.

Warforged are a little more tricky to fit, but I like Ari's Bronze Legion. Very nicely done!

 

[WhimsyTheFae]

The Red Wizard of Thay class was specifically included in the DMG (not the PH, theres a difference) as an example to DMs of setting specific prestige classes.

Remember also though that the nature of the RWOT class is such that it could easily be used under another name as a "super specialist" prestige class in any setting.

Technically, similar logic could be used to include the Warforged in the PHB 1, but I would rather they didn't.

EDIT: Seeing other people's posts, I will concede that it wouldn't be as easy as the Red Wizard, but it wouldn't be a stretch...

 

[Merlion]

Technically, similar logic could be used to include the Warforged in the PHB 1, but I would rather they didn't.

EDIT: Seeing other people's posts, I will concede that it wouldn't be as easy as the Red Wizard, but it wouldn't be a stretch...

How much of a stretch depends entirely on the nature of the setting.

The Warforged would not, in my opinion, be a good fit for any of the implied D&D settings or styles. Not as a standard player race anyway, and maybe not at all.

 

[WhimsyTheFae]

How much of a stretch depends entirely on the nature of the setting.

The Warforged would not, in my opinion, be a good fit for any of the implied D&D settings or styles. Not as a standard player race anyway, and maybe not at all.

I agree, but I'm not the one doing the stretching.

Hopefully, WotC isn't doing the stretching, either.

 

[YourSwordIsMine]

I dont know if someone said this already. But if they make it into core you can always disallow them in your games.

I personally dont think they fit all that well for PHB core but then again we havent see the changes yet to say otherwise. When it launches they might work out and fit nicely.

Still, I think it is DM control. If you dont like it, dont allow it. very simple.