Warforged: Like them or loathe them?

[Drammattex]

IMO, the core book should offer as much variety as possible.
Nothing against gnomes, but with dwarves & halflings around, they rarely get played.
Constructs have always been a part of D&D. I like the prospect of playing a construct, a tiefling, an eladrin. Each of these seem to offer something very different. I like that, and think it'll be fun. If there was a humanoid aberration race in the PHB, I'd like that equally as much.

 

[Mallus]

IMO, the core book should offer as much variety as possible.

We have a winner!

 

[Drammattex]

We have a winner!

Hooray! Does this mean I get to playtest?!?!?!?

:-D

 

[Kae'Yoss]

We have a winner!

Great, my first 4e character will be a Mandalorian Theurgist with a G3 Sniper Rifle. Don't tell me I can't have Star Wars races, McWoD character types or modern equipment? Don't tell me I don't get to fly a Star Fury.

 

[BryonD]

Great, my first 4e character will be a Mandalorian Theurgist with a G3 Sniper Rifle. Don't tell me I can't have Star Wars races, McWoD character types or modern equipment? Don't tell me I don't get to fly a Star Fury.

Exactly.

Being free to do anything and everything you want is a perfectly valid position.
That does not remotely make it a good plan for how to market a "core" D&D system.

 

[Mallus]

Great, my first 4e character will be a Mandalorian Theurgist with a G3 Sniper Rifle. Don't tell me I can't have Star Wars races, McWoD character types or modern equipment? Don't tell me I don't get to fly a Star Fury.

I can't recall how to say it in Latin, but I think you just enlarged my point to absurdity ...

Clockwork man == 'mainstream' fantasy.

Star Fury != 'mainstream' fantasy.

Put it this way, I don't see Warforged as any more dissimilar than Tolkienesque elves, Howardesque barbarians, and Kwai-Chan Cain-esque martial artists, which all fit nicely into 'traditional' D&D.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Clockwork man == 'mainstream' fantasy.

Unless we count Short Circuit to mainstream fantasy, machines that actually live are only in if they're looking for their brains

Put it this way, I don't see Warforged as any more dissimilar than Tolkienesque elves, Howardesque barbarians, and Kwai-Chan Cain-esque martial artists, which all fit nicely into 'traditional' D&D.

I do.

 

[BryonD]

Put it this way, I don't see Warforged as any more dissimilar than Tolkienesque elves, Howardesque barbarians, and Kwai-Chan Cain-esque martial artists, which all fit nicely into 'traditional' D&D.

You are confusing your personal point of view with mainstream.

I'm not saying that anti-warfoged is mainstream either.
But if you are ever on Family Feud with the question: Name a common fantasy character type, don't answer warforged because you'll get that buzz and a red X.
The other things you said have a real good chance of making the list.



And even with that I'll still say that warforged in particular do a real poor job of capturing "clockwork man" anyway.

 

[Mallus]

Unless we count Short Circuit to mainstream fantasy, machines that actually live are only in if they're looking for their brains

You're forgetting "Clash of the Titans"... wait, was that only the owl... I swear I remember a steam-powered man made of bronze.

I do.

I now pronounce you man and strange idea of what belongs together...

 

[Mallus]

You are confusing your personal point of view with mainstream. I'm not saying that anti-warfoged is mainstream either.

My point that you quoted was that there is a precedent in D&D for having a mishamsh of different fantasy elements that don't have a lot to with each other...

Can you explain how bits from Tolkien, Howard, and "Kung Fu" fit neatly together? Other than the fact that the got shoveled together into something we now recognize as "D&D-esque fantasy"?

And even with that I'll still say that warforged in particular do a real poor job of capturing "clockwork man" anyway.

Would you prefer the term 'fantasy robot'?