Warlocks and Rapid Shot, And Gear Questions

[Zurai]

EDIT: Nevermind, didn't read the discussion clearly enough. I think irdeggman didn't read it quite right, either.

Eldritch Blast is the same SLA no matter what Essences or Shapes are applied to it (essences and shapes are not SLAs and don't even cost a free action to apply; thus, an Utterdark Doom is still an Eldritch Blast and can still be quickened, empowered, maximized, etc through meta-SLA feats tied to Eldritch Blast). You would need to take the feats again if you wanted to use them on a different ability such as Wall of Perilous Flame, though.

 

[Gloombunny]

I think what irdeggman is saying that you can use a quickened eldritch blast and then a regular invocation in the same round. Choosing EB for the feat doesn't mean that two EBs in a round is your only option for using it.

 

[irdeggman]

I think what irdeggman is saying that you can use a quickened eldritch blast and then a regular invocation in the same round. Choosing EB for the feat doesn't mean that two EBs in a round is your only option for using it.

Correct.


From the SRD (under benefits):

Benefit: Choose one of the creature’s spell-like abilities, subject to the restrictions described below. The creature can use that ability as a quickened spell-like ability three times per day (or less, if the ability is normally usable only once or twice per day).

Using a quickened spell-like ability is a free action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity. The creature can perform another action—including the use of another spell-like ability—in the same round that it uses a quickened spell-like ability. The creature may use only one quickened spell-like ability per round.

The creature can only select a spell-like ability duplicating a spell with a level less than or equal to half its caster level (round down) –4. For a summary, see the table below.
In addition, a spell-like ability that duplicates a spell with a casting time greater than 1 full round cannot be quickened.

It specifically says you can take another action that round, including using another spell-like ability. But you can only use one quickened SLA a round.

It pretty much functions like a quickened spell in that regards - you can cast another spell in the same round, it doesn't have to be the same one you quickened.

 

[RigaMortus2]

To Nifft

1: I believe that is in essence the whole argument behind Strongheart Vest. Hellfire stipulates that if you have no con or are some how Immune to constitution damage you can't use the ability.

You aren't immune with Strongheart Vest, you effectively get a 1/- Ability damage reduction. In comparison, does 10 Resistance to Fire make you Immune to fire damage? No, it doesn't.

You know, I think you might be right. I've always thought SHV wouldn't work, but as you point out, it doesn't make you "immune" and it doesn't "prevent" ability damage. It reduces it.

I never really looked at it close enough. Your Fire Resistance 10 analogy is a good analogy. If you get hit for 5 points of fire damage, you take none, but that doesn't mean you are immune to it all together.

 

[Nifft]

You know, I think you might be right. I've always thought SHV wouldn't work, but as you point out, it doesn't make you "immune" and it doesn't "prevent" ability damage. It reduces it.

I never really looked at it close enough. Your Fire Resistance 10 analogy is a good analogy. If you get hit for 5 points of fire damage, you take none, but that doesn't mean you are immune to it all together.

Flawed analogy. Look at what the text actually says:

Each time you use this ability, you take 1 point of Constitution damage. Because the diabolical forces behind the power of hellfire demand part of your essence in exchange for this granted power, if you do not have a Constitution score or are somehow immune to Constitution damage, you cannot use this ability.

Show me how not taking Con damage == "part of your essence", please.

Cheers, -- N

 

[RigaMortus2]

Flawed analogy. Look at what the text actually says: Show me how not taking Con damage == "part of your essence", please.

Cheers, -- N

You are arguing fluff as mechanics. Define "part of your essence" in D&D mechanics. You can't. You can define "immune" or "immunity", which Strongheart Vest does NOT do. So it makes it a moot point to argue.

All I have to show is how taking 0 Con damage <> being immune.

Reducing the amount of ability damage one takes to 0 is NOT the same as being immune to the ability damage.

 

[Nifft]

You are arguing fluff as mechanics. Define "part of your essence" in D&D mechanics.

It's right there in front of you. 1 point of Con damage. See the previous sentence in that same paragraph for the definition as it applies in that sentence.

You can't.

Oooo look, I did.

Cheers, -- N

 

[s-dub]

Each time you use this ability, you take 1 point of Constitution damage. Because the diabolical forces behind the power of hellfire demand part of your essence in exchange for this granted power, if you do not have a Constitution score or are somehow immune to Constitution damage, you cannot use this ability.

Seems to me that there's an implied "the" in the last sentence right before Constitution Damage.

This writer of the description probably wasn't thinking about items that reduced ability damage when they wrote the text, otherwise they would have made that portion more clear.

 

[Hammerhead]

Taking one level of Binder and grabbing Naberius also provides the necessary "Hellfire Con damage" workaround.

 

[pawsplay]

You are arguing fluff as mechanics.

Show how mechanically that is fluff.