D&D General Warlocks' patrons vs. Paladin Oaths and Cleric Deities

[Neonchameleon]

Holy christ dude.

God's in D&D? Real.
God's in D&D? Cosmic, Plane shaping, power.

God's in reality? Maybe not real.
God's in reality? Maybe no power.

I have no clue why you keep trying to appeal to the real world here, it's nonsensical.

God as claimed by real world religion as cited? Literally omnipotent. Gods as claimed by D&D? Less than omnipotent and literally subordinate to an overgod.

I have no clue what you are trying to claim other than "Because I can invent a fiction in which Gods can do this then I as a DM should be allowed to do this no matter that it makes the game, the storytelling, and the roleplaying worse."

Fiction can be made to do whatever you like. And my point is that it is ... unusual ... to claim that something should be more powerful than God as outlined by the Catholic Church. And if the only justification you have is that it's how the fiction works then the fiction has changed almost two decades ago.

 

[TwoSix]

Glad I can play a Barlock in your table

I'm assuming chocolate-strawberry-death bans multiclassing for the realism.

 

[Scribe]

God as claimed by real world religion as cited? Literally omnipotent. Gods as claimed by D&D? Less than omnipotent and literally subordinate to an overgod.

I have no clue what you are trying to claim other than "Because I can invent a fiction in which Gods can do this then I as a DM should be allowed to do this no matter that it makes the game, the storytelling, and the roleplaying worse."

Fiction can be made to do whatever you like. And my point is that it is ... unusual ... to claim that something should be more powerful than God as outlined by the Catholic Church. And if the only justification you have is that it's how the fiction works then the fiction has changed almost two decades ago.

A Cleric, channeling the power of a D&D God, can raise the dead, among many other miracles in "real world" terms.

How often is the Pope seen raising the dead, or calling down pillars of fire?

 

[Neonchameleon]

A Cleric, channeling the power of a D&D God, can raise the dead, among many other miracles in "real world" terms.

How often is the Pope seen raising the dead, or calling down pillars of fire?

And?

But this doesn't change the fact that your claim "they can do that in the fiction" is (a) arbitrary, (b) no longer true, (c) doesn't match real world analogues, and (d) is bad for the game.

All you have here is "because my fiction says so" and that's just because you want it to when it is clear that that is an arbitrary decision you have made.

 

[Brotton Goodfellow]

One thing I did was have the patrons ultimate goal line up with the parties. Had a warlock player whose patron was vecna. The big baddies in the campaign had the Book of Vile Deeds. Vecna wanted that book. The rest of the party had no clue what was going on. It was in Vecna’s best interest to grant power, as the threats in the game got bigger. Rest of the party just cared about stopping the evil cult. Warlock player got the book, revealed he was actually not that great of a dude, then opened a vortex that threatened to kill everyone.

I also made warlock spell casting more like blood magic. The level of spell cast reduced max hp until long rest. There’s your power at a cost motif.

 

[Scribe]

(a) arbitrary, (b) no longer true, (c) doesn't match real world analogues, and (d) is bad for the game.

A - Sure thing, as is your desire to have it not be a thing.
B - This is a D&D General thing, so you are incorrect.
C - This remains a nonsensical statement.
D - Your opinion only.

Enjoy your game, there is zero value in discussing this.

 

[TwoSix]

Enjoy your game, there is zero value in discussing this.

But we all had fun, and isn't that the real goal?

 

[Scribe]

But we all had fun, and isn't that the real goal?

Did we? Weird and erroneous analogies, straw man arguments? Nah.

 

[Neonchameleon]

A - Sure thing, as is your desire to have it not be a thing.
B - This is a D&D General thing, so you are incorrect.
C - This remains a nonsensical statement.
D - Your opinion only.

Enjoy your game, there is zero value in discussing this.

B - This used to be a D&D general thing. It hasn't been true since 2008. It's now an archaic D&D thing like XP for GP or THAC0; the way we used to do it in D&D back in the day but only a few holdouts still do.
C - No it doesn't.
D - Hardly my opinion only. I'm pretty sure that the consensus of the thread is against you. And once more other than the nonsense "No consequences" you have not been able to come up with a single reason it is other than a bad decision.

The value of discussing this is to make sure that when someone suggests it people don't get the idea that it is either a common thing or a good idea.

 

[Scribe]

The value of discussing this is to make sure that when someone suggests it people don't get the idea that it is either a common thing or a good idea.

Ah yes, arguing for hearts and minds, very productive in a thread asking for exactly what your pushing again.

Essentially, thread crapping? Impressive.