Warlocks/Wizards at Attack Disadvantage due to no "proficiency" bonus?

[Zaruthustran]

It's still two chances of getting Quarry damage in, and you still add magic bonuses and the like to each arrow. But there are plenty of other threads about Twin Strike, I think.

Just to clarify, it's two chances to add Quarry damage ONCE. You only get to add quarry damage 1/round.

So even if both attacks hit, you only add quarry damage to one of the attacks.

 

[Keenath]

Just to clarify, it's two chances to add Quarry damage ONCE. You only get to add quarry damage 1/round.

So even if both attacks hit, you only add quarry damage to one of the attacks.

Yeah, sneak attack is the same way. Once per turn only, even if you use a power that lets you make more than one attack.

Same deal for the Warlock's Curse, actually. You can apply curse damage only once per turn.

 

[Alaric_Argent]

There are a few Implement powers that go against AC, btw... and for those, the lack of a proficiency bonus is felt.

OTOH The WotST paragon path has longsword proficiency as a prerequisite and a couple of spells with the weapon keyword (and therefore bring in the proficiency bonus, per sidebar on PHB page 275). I'm not clear if the prof. bonus could be extended to other spells that attack AC when using the longsword as an implement. Perhaps the Swordmage in FR (coming in September, or so I hear) would provide some guidance on this point.

 

[Keenath]

OTOH The WotST paragon path has longsword proficiency as a prerequisite and a couple of spells with the weapon keyword (and therefore bring in the proficiency bonus, per sidebar on PHB page 275). I'm not clear if the prof. bonus could be extended to other spells that attack AC when using the longsword as an implement.

Well, the most obvious answer is 'no', based on the rules for the Pact Blade, which operates pretty much the same way for the Warlock as Corellon's Weapon does for the wizard.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Fort, Ref, and Will are lower on averge by between 2 and 3 points. Here are the stats:

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?t=229092.

Even that doesn't quite tell the whole story. Many monsters have a REF or FORT closer than that to thier AC, balanced out by others that have FORT or REF 4 or more points /lower/ than AC. If you attack a single defense other than AC, yes, you'll be looking an average 2 or 3 point difference, and, statistically, you'll hit about as often as someone with a proficiency bonus attacking AC. The thing is, some monsters you'll be hitting very easily compared to the guy swinging vs AC, while others will be harder for you to hit. If you have a choice of two defenses (or all three) and get good at picking the right one, though, you'll be hitting /more/ often than the guy swining vs AC, and quite consistently (vanishingly few monsters have all thier defenses within a point or two of thier AC).

 

[Otterscrubber]

Not only are Fort, Ref and Will usually lower than AC, but one of them is usually much lower than the others. Warlocks can target Will or Ref, giving them a decided advantage if they know which is weakest in their opponent. The warlock in our group is one of our most accurate hitters, next to the rogue, who at level 4 has +13 to hit (+15 with CA which he almost always has due to tumble) and can target Ref. with one of his At-wills. Now getting a proficiency bonus AND being able to target something other than AC is truly wicked accurate.