Warmage and Extra Spell

[dagger]

Well, there is still Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration, and magic items, followers, allies, party members, opponent's without spell resistance and more importantly spells, which do not allow spell resistance (even some of those in the Warmage spell list).

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Thanee

Orb of Force...no save and no SR......this spell bugs me for some reason.

 

[Abstraction]

Take Arcane Disciple to expand your Warmage.

 

[Staffan]

IIRC, the warmage has a class ability that lets him learn a handful of Evocation spells that aren't normally on his class list. Given that, I would allow Extra Spell to expand his spell list with evocations only.

 

[Viktyr Gehrig]

Because of parallel operation with the Expanded Knowledge feat from Expanded Psionics Handbook, I allow Extra Spell to poach spells off of other class lists, as long as both classes use the same form of magic.

After all, it costs a feat and doesn't allow you to gain a spell of the highest level you can cast.

I am, however, tempted to restrict access to Domain or Order spells to casters who could have had access to them-- Domain spells from Domains offered by the Cleric's deity or Order spells from either the Shugenja's favored element or at least from one of their non-prohibited element. Divine magic should be a little more exclusive than psionics, in my opinion.

 

[Quidam]

Advanced Learning

I would allow a Warmage to take the feat and apply the same restrictions to it that Advanced Learning has, as I agree that seems to set a precedent.

This seems like a house rule to me, but also seems to follow the intent of the feat.

 

[brehobit]

I would allow a Warmage to take the feat and apply the same restrictions to it that Advanced Learning has, as I agree that seems to set a precedent.

This seems like a house rule to me, but also seems to follow the intent of the feat.

I agree with this as a good and reasonable house rule.

 

[Arbiter of Wyrms]

No. Extra Spell does nothing for a Warmage.

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Thanee

If Extra Spell doesn't let you learn beyond your spell list, what benefit does it offer wizards? They're specifically mentioned in the feat description.

 

[Thanee]

See above.

Almost none, if you can basically freely learn spells ('cept a couple gp, that is).

If you are heavily restricted from learning new spells apart from leveling up (no scrolls, spellbooks, teachers, research), then it might be worth it, but then it might also be worth it to hit the DM on the head with your pretty blank spellbook.

It does allow to pick up a spell the wizard wants, though, not limited by available spells via scrolls or teachers, etc.

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Thanee

 

[Arbiter of Wyrms]

Yes, it does.

And that part only means, that a wizard would only have a reason to pick up this feat, if he or she was somehow prevented from learning a specific spell (i.e. free level up spells already spent on other spells, no scroll or teacher available and no time for research - aka no access to the spell).

It does not mean, that you suddenly gain access to spells that are not on your spell list. The feat only allows you to learn an additional spell, not increase the base of your knowledge by adding a completely new spell to your class spell list.

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Thanee

Thanee, until you can cite an official ruling on this, I must respectfully disagree. I'm normally right with you on rule interpretation, but the way I read Extra Spell, it lets the character taking it research and learn any spell the DM will allow in the game. I understand rule zero, and I think it's fine to forbid characters all spells not on their class spell lists, but as I read this feat, it allows the character to go beyond that limitation, and at the cost of one feat for one spell not of the character's highest level, I think that it's balanced this way.

 

[Thanee]

And where exactly is the part in the feat description, that talks about changing the class spell list then?

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Thanee