Was 4e design based around the suite of proposed D&Di tools? EDIT: found quote.

[Obryn]

For example, in this thread, the attempt to get a clear answer was met with some hostility. One might wonder why that is?

One might look at the ways in which one's questions are asked, if one were to wonder that.

One might draw their own conclusions from that.

You know, if one wants to talk obliquely.

-O

 

[thecasualoblivion]

With as many interviews and statements the launch of 4E has created, one could find enough evidence to convince oneself of almost anything one wanted to believe. That doesn't necessarily make it so.

 

[Raven Crowking]

One might look at the ways in which one's questions are asked, if one were to wonder that.

One might draw their own conclusions from that.

You know, if one wants to talk obliquely.

Oh, I see. One shouldn't want straight answers, and one should simply rephrase the question ad infinitum ad nauseum, accepting whatever obliqueness one receives as an answer, and never point out that the original question hasn't been answered at all.

Then, of course, one should be neither surprised nor upset that one's question hasn't been answered because, after all, one was unwilling to say clearly what one expected to be answered.

And a good time is had by all. All one must sacrifice is the possibility of having the information necessary to have an informed/rational opinion about any topic. That not actually answering the question serves to increase whatever hostility and/or suspicion the asker might be feeling notwithstanding, of course.

One might wonder whether or not a straight answer would have terminated this thread days ago for lack of any further interest. Often, it seems to me, that dancing around the question is more hostile -- and certainly more oblique -- than a straight question or a straight answer.

Of course, I can also see where that might make some uncomfortable. As I said earlier, there is certainly a contingent -- smaller on EN World than some other places, due to good moderation -- who are more than happy to attempt to subvert any attempt at rational discourse if the conclusions drawn might not be what they would prefer.

Thankfully, The Rouse is more of a gentleman than either of us. Or, perhaps, both combined.


RC

 

[wedgeski]

For example, in this thread, the attempt to get a clear answer was met with some hostility. One might wonder why that is?

Not at all (if it's my post you're talking about). I was railing against the innuendo which I felt was being thrown around implying that Scott was politicking and avoiding a direct answer because it would somehow incriminate himself. To cut through that, I asked if you (and by inference Ycore) could speak more plainly, ironically as you were asking Scott to do the very same thing.

Since then, I've slept on it, and you've both brought more clarity to your side of the conversation, and I'm happy that all is now right with the world.

 

[Raven Crowking]

Nice cut to your jib on that post, wedgeski.

 

[Windjammer]

...and can I note that there are plenty of reasons to reduce or eliminate all-day PC flight without resorting to explanations involving battlemats or software limitations?

-O

This post had me burst out laughing. Thank you Obryn, that's a very valid and at the same time light hearted response to my attempts to extrapolate evidence for digital impact in 4E's design.

Scott, thanks too for taking the trouble to spell out the quotes we brought up. I'm extremely grateful for how the thread has progressed.

What's more, I think it's indicative of something rather positive about this thread if there's even room for Raven Crowking to air some of his more general observations re EnWorld. While not all of you might agree with him/her, claiming that the OP's question was oblique (perhaps deliberately so) seemed a bit off to me.

 

[Raven Crowking]

While not all of you might agree with him/her

Him. (Daniel J. Bishop on the Web)

And, please be warned that even appearing to agree with me will automatically exclude you from all the best social circles.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Him. (Daniel J. Bishop on the Web)

And, please be warned that even appearing to agree with me will automatically exclude you from all the best social circles.

I agree.

Oh, wait! Damn...

 

[Raven Crowking]

I agree.

Oh, wait! Damn...

Well, so much for you being invited to the Grand Duke's Ball.........

 

[Obryn]

Of course, I can also see where that might make some uncomfortable.

It's not even remotely about what the answer would be. It's completely about how (and how often) the same question was asked.

-O