D&D 5E (2014) [+] Ways to fix the caster / non-caster gap

[Vaalingrade]

Ask your DM to let you do all that then?

The Oberoni Fallacy means even less in this thread than any other.

 

[Gammadoodler]

So you're fine with them the way they are, I'm confused?

Can you give me an idea of how you would improve martial classes? Do you have any game mechanics or rules in mind?

For my money.. General improvements to mobility and/or obstacle navigation and deadliness.

Such improvements need have no particular relation to "what a real human can do"

 

[bert1001 fka bert1000]

You need some realism.
Any work of fiction that has no realism at all can't be understood.

That's why books about "Xylotirants who knoxilexes trgidians" don't sell, but books about "mystical knights who have to fight evil forces who want to suppress the whole galaxy work".
You need verisimilitude.
You need a frame of reference.
You need some realistic parts in order to support the fantasy parts.

That's why in like 99% of all fantasy and sci-fi books you have humans or at least creatures who are like earth humans. As a frame of reference.
And in the works that don't have humans at all (only kids movies come to mind right now), you have stand ins for humans.

And the D&D human is pretty much an earth human. That's why we are able to play that game, because if they were not human but Xylotirants, we couldn't even begin to fathom on how to roleplay them.

When we play D&D we need to assume that the mundane world outside of Magic, God's and other supernatural stuff acts like the real world, because if it would act totally differently, we would need all our brain capacity to imagine the mundane differences.
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I do believe this grounding is true. Although it doesn't have to have humans if other things -- emotions, gravity, hot/cold, etc. work similarly. Think Left Hand of Darkness.

But and this is a big but, that really doesn't have to extend to PCs.

Most of the world can be regular humans. But PC humans are also Wizards, etc. There is nothing stopping the magic world rationale talked about in some of these threads form existing and given these particular humans (dwarfs , etc) the permissions to have the ability to manifest fantastical abilities outside the baseline.

"The world is a magical place. Some sentient races manifest powers beyond normal members of their race and no one ones why. Often these abilities manifest later in life."

or

"The sentient races are all descended from the First People. Modern people are pale imitations of the first Peoples, who were more like Gods walking the planet. Some people have the blood of the First People flowing stronger in their veins and manifest powers beyond normal members of their race. Often these abilities manifest later in life."

Done. Normal humans (dwarfs, etc) exist and the ability to become a Mystic Martial or not also exists.

Now, I get the normal human does great things fantasy too, so I think there should be a peak human option that gets things like mandatory magic items at high level to allow for that archetype.

Also there should be an option at lower level to not manifest the supernatural stuff so you can be fairly mundane 1-7 or 1-10 then add the Mythic stuff later.

 

[Raiztt]

The Oberoni Fallacy means even less in this thread than any other.

If you actually expect your desires to be implemented by WotC you are completely, and totally, off the reservation.

The best you can possibly hope for is your DM implementing house rules.

Seriously and unironically, if this thread is not about brainstorming house rules, then it is a complete and total waste of time for everyone except people who enjoy arguing.

 

[The Old Crow]

Fighter gets Battlemaster maneuvers, pick two to start, each usable one per encounter, can recharge with second wind. Additional maneuver or an extra use per encounter for oen you have every 3-4 levels.

Maneuvers expand to include more options including friendly forced movement, forced saving throw, great leaping/swimming, climbing and some social options.

Feats to allow Grapples, Trips, etc on increasingly larger creatures.

Higher level ability to parry or divert a spell targeting you.

I really like the idea of recharge on use of second wind. That would certainly help solve the Only One Encounter Per Day long rest vs short rest imbalance.

 

[Gammadoodler]

Ok, can you describe this bump? or do you not even have an idea of what you want?

I have done so many times previously, at least once in this thread, and again above.

 

[Raiztt]

I have done so many times previously, at least once in this thread, and again above.

Give fighters the ability to teleport.

 

[Vaalingrade]

If you actually expect your desires to be implemented by WotC you are completely, and totally, off the reservation.

The best you can possibly hope for is your DM implementing house rules.

Seriously and unironically, if this thread is not about brainstorming house rules, then it is a complete and total waste of time for everyone except people who enjoy arguing.

We are literally in the middle of a playtest where WotC is ostensibly asking us to contribute on how to make the game better.

 

[Gammadoodler]

If you actually expect your desires to be implemented by WotC you are completely, and totally, off the reservation.

The best you can possibly hope for is your DM implementing house rules.

Seriously and unironically, if this thread is not about brainstorming house rules, then it is a complete and total waste of time for everyone except people who enjoy arguing.

Well it can be quite a bit easier to brainstorm when the trolls are removed.

 

[Raiztt]

We are literally in the middle of a playtest where WotC is ostensibly asking us to contribute on how to make the game better.

You're adorable. I will bet you literally any amount of money that whatever is coming down the pipe is virtually identical to what you've already got.