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[TwoSix]

I'm sorry, was there a poll recently stating that nearly everyone here was planning on leaving their 2014 books behind and moving on to whatever WotC is spitting out later this year? Last I heard that was far from unanimous.

Certainly only a handful of people from my RL groups are planning on getting the new books. Maybe 4-5 out of 20?

 

[Morrus]

I'm sorry, was there a poll recently stating that nearly everyone here was planning on leaving their 2014 books behind and moving on to whatever WotC is spitting out later this year? Last I heard that was far from unanimous.

You heard that from…. your poll? Where was that?

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I'm sorry, was there a poll recently stating that nearly everyone here was planning on leaving their 2014 books behind and moving on to whatever WotC is spitting out later this year? Last I heard that was far from unanimous.

There doesn't need to be a poll. It's what happens. It's what is inevitable. Like I said in the previous post, it's not unanimous. It never can be. But it IS what is astronomically most likely.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I have seen at least three instances in just the past few months where someone actually meant 3.5e, PF1e, or some other edition, and simply neglected to specify. It's not pedantry if someone is actually asking for details on how something works.

If I go on the forums for D&D, and ask questions about prestige classes, and someone snarks at me that “I gather from context that you mean D&D 3.5 or earlier, maybe clarify that next time”, I am to blame for that “confusion”.

But it's also not the same game but it mostly is the same game but it's actually an evolution not a revolution but the preceding-but-not-previous same-not-same-but-same game had a part in it which folks see as more of a revolution even though it really wasn't a revolution at all.

I love posts like this because it shows just how much you have to hyperbolize and dramatize in order to make it seem remotely confusing.

It’s the same game, with a refresh.

A revision is not a new edition of D&D.

It’s not complicated.

And then you get to note that, for you and I is was a smaller percentage - but for a new gamer who was only just born when 3e came out, it was a much longer percentage of their time.

Hell I was in high school in 1999-2003 and it feels like a thousand years and a different world ago.

 

[Nikosandros]

Free pi for life?

The "joke" in my post (which is admittedly too obscure) is that the expression that I wrote is indeterminate. It's not a number.

 

[Micah Sweet]

You heard that from…. your poll? Where was that?

Plenty of people making their heard on this issue, poll or no poll.

 

[Micah Sweet]

There doesn't need to be a poll. It's what happens. It's what is inevitable. Like I said in the previous post, it's not unanimous. It never can be. But it IS what is astronomically most likely.

So what was the point of all this? Should we just assume that whenever big WotC decides to roll out a new way to take our money, nearly the entire community, despite significant protest on this very site, are ultimately just going to roll over? What a bleak and conformist world view that is.

 

[Morrus]

Plenty of people making their heard on this issue, poll or no poll.

Well that dash irony certainly flew right over your head. Perhaps review your comment I was replying to in light of this reply. You might spot it.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

So what was the point of all this? Should we just assume that whenever big WotC decides to roll out a new way to take our money, nearly the entire community, despite significant protest on this very site, are ultimately just going to roll over? What a bleak and conformist world view that is.

No. You're reading far too much into it. I'm not saying that it's inevitable that whatever WotC does, people will follow. See 4the Edition.

I'm saying that IN THIS CASE, the majority of people are going to come around. I am basing this opinion (and I admit, it is my opinion) based on experience and knowledge of what the product IS (not what the internet misinformation says it is) and my knowledge (knowledge expressly relevant to my career - I am an expert in this particular area, believe it or not) of how most people react to a given product IN THIS FIELD. It doesn't even matter to me what MY particular opinion of the product is (for example, I really liked 4e). It's how I know that the "fanbase" (if we have to call it that) will react.

There is a resistance to it now, but that will fade when the product arrives.

I can tell you with all conviction that 5eRevised24point5NotAnEditionEdition will do very well. Well enough to be the main thing talked about here for the next handful of years, that's for sure.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

If I go on the forums for D&D, and ask questions about prestige classes, and someone snarks at me that “I gather from context that you mean D&D 3.5 or earlier, maybe clarify that next time”, I am to blame for that “confusion”.

Ah, gotta love the CR -1 Straw Golem. Because yes it was totally something so blindingly obvious and perfectly edition specific that no one could ever confuse them. Definitely not something like asking a question about "grappling" or how "opportunity attacks" work or how "Barbarian rage" works when those things have been radically different between editions. Nope, 110% of the time it's something even a simpleton could correctly identify the origin of on sight. Couldn't possibly be any of the myriad things that have similar names or similar concepts but significantly divergent expression!

I love posts like this because it shows just how much you have to hyperbolize and dramatize in order to make it seem remotely confusing.

I'm not hyperbolizing the difference. I'm mocking WotC's song and dance.

It’s the same game, with a refresh.

A revision is not a new edition of D&D.

It’s not complicated.

I love posts like this, because they're condescending and snide about a disagreement the poster started and yet they actually agree on the claims in dispute.

I literally never said it was a new edition. I have said, repeatedly and consistently, that it is a revision or update to the existing one. My criticism, and in this case my sarcasm, has always been that WotC fears either backlash or confusion from accurately calling it a revision, and thus they will not actually call it what it is. They will do a ridiculous song and dance to pretend that nothing has changed, that everything is completely 100% undeniably the same, while in fact things have changed.

Also, I was following the lead of Morrus. Funny how when I do it, suddenly it's offensive.

Hell I was in high school in 1999-2003 and it feels like a thousand years and a different world ago.

I assume then you must think people are stupid for saying things like "last year in 2020" or the like? Where they explicitly say that time can feel like it hasn't passed at all recently? Because that's a real thing people have been going through.