We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Ace

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Sure. I only wrote the article here about tabletop gaming, and mentioned that periodically. But I'm moving the goal posts.

I'm willing to assume we just have a difference of opinion here. You may feel differently and that's fine. I cannot be persuaded to you POV at all. I don't care about CCG and don't consider it part of the hobby. what they do doesn't reflect bad on my hobby in any case.Even if they play D&D This event took place at a card tournament , not our problem any more than a random drug shooting is. I am not my nerd brothers keeper.
 

I'm willing to assume we just have a difference of opinion here. You may feel differently and that's fine. I cannot be persuaded to you POV at all. I don't care about CCG and don't consider it part of the hobby. what they do doesn't reflect bad on my hobby in any case.Even if they play D&D This event took place at a card tournament , not our problem any more than a random drug shooting is. I am not my nerd brothers keeper.

I don't care about CCGs, miniatures or boardgames either, however they have more in common than they have different, and they all have common origins, which is why (whether we care about them or not) they are all under the umbrella of tabletop gaming. Honestly, I don't expect you to change your mind, or care.
 

Ace

Adventurer

Its about Magic the Gathering. As such I don't care, If there is a problem with that hobby, it not my hobby, not my concern at all. Cards are NOT the same hobby even if there is crossover in the player base,

Just for fun, lets say card flippers were harassing people at cons?

Would that not be up to the con to deal with it? I don't attend cons, I don't play cards why on Earth would I care?
 

Ace

Adventurer
I don't care about CCGs, miniatures or boardgames either, however they have more in common than they have different, and they all have common origins, which is why (whether we care about them or not) they are all under the umbrella of tabletop gaming. Honestly, I don't expect you to change your mind, or care.

Fair enough. that is a reasonable answer.

Larger umbrellas cause larger harder to solve problems in my book.

By keeping it small, its manageable. My game is good enough that the lady gamer who joined us called back to apologize that she could no longer make it because the game was great She was in the military and just too busy . The Vietnamese guy that games with us occasionally also has fun and has said so,

I've done my part. That's all I need to concern myself with.
 

It ain't what you say it's the way that you say it. To use one example the meaning of "How you doing?" depends a lot on the stress - "How you doing?" may be a generic greeting but it's not at all the same as "How you doing?" which is basically a cat call. It's as different from a polite version as "Helloooo Nurse!" is from a generic hello.

[video=youtube;H2yJ-VaMDYs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2yJ-VaMDYs[/video]

But that wasn't the point of the video if it's the one I think it is. The point of the video was that she could not walk through town without getting interrupted every few minutes. It doesn't matter if people are superficially polite - when I'm trying to think about something if you're the fifth person to interrupt me I'm going to get cranky even if you've interrupted me to tell me I'm about to step into an open manhole or that I've won the lottery. In a city, because there are so many people, interrupting someone you don't know and isn't making themself open for contact is inherently impolite whether or not you follow Debrett's.
I do not cat call I am not rude but somehow someone can take my polite hi as a insult be use that is how THEY take it....it drives me nuts be use no matte how hard I try I can't get my voice or manirism to not be offensiveeven when I am just trying to be nice



Edit now imagine 0 tolerance... A nice young woman gets hit on by 4 guys in 20 minutes... Then I make the mistake of politly saying "good morning" how ever as is always the case with me I say it in the wrong voice some how...she can call security and have me ejected as the last straw... What happens when I say " I only said good morning, I said it to like 10 people...what is wrong with good morning" just to be told there is no excuse the 0 tolerance any accusation is a enough to boot me the same as if some guy grabed her butt... Becuse that is what I am fighting against I want everyone safe including me
 
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Yes, there ARE people on this thread who are advocating for that very thing.

First, no need to welcome me to the thread, I have been here for pages and pages. And you must have further vision problems because there was a post not far above mine where someone was stating the right to free speech, even if not nice speech and I corrected them.

Second, there is no one advocating throwing people out for one joke. The message is that it may not be a joke to everyone and that if the joke is actually inappropriate speech it may be considered to be harassment. Far too often when confronted the claim will be "I was only joking" and the warning is that it will not be an acceptable excuse if the con or games store person making the call thinks it is over the line and into harassment.

So your "corrections" have now been corrected. The other points you made were the same non-speak and beating around the bush. The ship has already sailed. Almost all cons have policies now. Expect stricter and stricter enforcement. It will be in most game stores soon as it is becoming increasingly obvious that like banning smoking in bars it is just better for business. I expect every organized league for all games companies will have similar policies if they already do not.
 

First, no need to welcome me to the thread, I have been here for pages and pages. And you must have further vision problems because there was a post not far above mine where someone was stating the right to free speech, even if not nice speech and I corrected them.

Second, there is no one advocating throwing people out for one joke. The message is that it may not be a joke to everyone and that if the joke is actually inappropriate speech it may be considered to be harassment. Far too often when confronted the claim will be "I was only joking" and the warning is that it will not be an acceptable excuse if the con or games store person making the call thinks it is over the line and into harassment.

So your "corrections" have now been corrected. The other points you made were the same non-speak and beating around the bush. The ship has already sailed. Almost all cons have policies now. Expect stricter and stricter enforcement. It will be in most game stores soon as it is becoming increasingly obvious that like banning smoking in bars it is just better for business. I expect every organized league for all games companies will have similar policies if they already do not.
As long as those policies come with human beings deciding on a case by case basis whee both offended and offender get to say what happened...great throw every real harraser out make everyone feel safe. Don't throw people out over accusations with no ability to explain, or appologies
 

Dannager

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Its not a community. It was once, but given the cultural changes, is no longer.

See, here's the problem: You can't tell the difference between a community that no longer exists, and a community that simply doesn't want you as part of it.

The rest of us are part of a community - one that you pretend doesn't exist because the alternative is uncomfortable.
 

As long as those policies come with human beings deciding on a case by case basis whee both offended and offender get to say what happened...great throw every real harraser out make everyone feel safe. Don't throw people out over accusations with no ability to explain, or appologies

You keep worrying about hypotheticals and reality is that an accusation will need to be credible. However, do not expect that an apology will do if you really did step out of line. The person making the call will be a person and they probably will do the best they can to sort out what happened. But if a reasonable person would be offended by your actions regardless of intent, then expect some reaction.

There are some people that suffer from Tourette's syndrome and some in the austism spectrum that really do have a medical condition that can be cited as a valid reason, but there are most others who are just thoughtless and cruel.

I have had had plenty of people with even poorer social skills than me in my gaming groups over the 35+ years that I have gamed and some other geeky hobbies like the SCA. In general we have been able to make it work.

In in my younger and single days, including GF in groups could get annoying as break-ups and drama were too common in the late teens (my HS days were in an all boys Catholic school so never was an issue). In a private house and private game you can make whatever rule you want. In a convention or game store you need to behave better as you are in public.
 

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