We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.

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Another piece talking about the harassment of women in tabletop gaming has surfaced on the internet. At least one of the incidents related in that piece has been substantiated as being true, so I am willing to accept that there is more truth in that article. Whether gamers, or geeks in general, want to admit it or not, there are serious issues within our communities with how people act towards women, people of color, and the LGBTQI. We need to knock that off right now. Obviously, this is an opinion piece.
Just as a warning, for those who might be bothered by certain sorts of content, some of the incidents that were relayed to me, the stories that were told, have jarring, uncomfortable occurrences in them. If mentions of rape and unsolicitated physical contact will bother you, you might want to skip the rest of this article. I know reading the emails and PMs from these women bothered me as they came in.

As much as what these women related bothered me, and obviously bothered them as the targets of the harassment, I felt that the fact that it was so uncomfortable was exactly the reason why this current piece needed to be written. We, as a group, need to start looking the people doing this harassment in the eye and telling them that we don’t think it is okay. We need to stop pushing these accounts into the shadows, under the rugs, and pretending that they do not exist. We need to make our communities into better places for everyone, and not just a bunch of men.

I put out a call over my various social media feeds (which was shared a lot), asking for women to share their experiences of harassment in tabletop gaming with me. Anonymity was offered to those who wanted it, and not surprisingly most respondents asked that their names be kept confidential. The reasons for them wanting to be kept anonymous were one of two. First, they were afraid of further harassment within their communities for calling out the bad behavior. They seen how women who tell men to stop get treated in small, closed communities and, for better or worse, they want to continue with their hobbies without additional harassment. The second reason was a bit scarier. Some of these women are professionals, working in tabletop gaming in a number of different capacities, who fear that publicly coming forward would negatively impact their careers within gaming.

I’ll just say that last one again, with emphasis: they were afraid that coming forward about their harassment, or the harassment that they had witnessed, would negatively impact their careers in tabletop gaming.

Because of these reasons, I will be keeping the identities of everyone who asked anonymous. Everyone who spoke with me identified themselves, I am just not identifying them.

One of the common threads through the experiences shared was rape. Most of these women had had characters raped during convention play, online games, or at events at stores. Sometimes the rapes were matter-of-factly introduced into play, others there was a titillating level of graphic detail to the assaults. One women talked about how a regular attendee at a local convention bragged of having a “rape kit” in his car for the women at the convention, and at one point he yelled at her to “find him women to sleep with.” She also talked about the organizers of the convention having a “men only camping retreat” and when she was on the board of the con the only way that she could attend was “nude and wearing a dog collar.” Another woman talked about the GM of her online game suddenly having her character knocked unconscious, taken away on a ship, and then graphically narrated raping her character. All of this occurred on voice chat while using a popular virtual tabletop site.

Another woman told me that her attempts at organizing a couple of women only games for a VTT online convention was met with such vehemence from male gamers that the games were pulled from the schedule of the convention.

People wonder why more and more people think that anti-harassment policies are needed at conventions. After all, even Gen Con has one:
Gen Con: The Best Four Days in Gaming! is dedicated to providing a harassment-free Event experience for everyone, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size, race, religion, or affiliation. We do not tolerate harassment of convention participants in any form. Convention participants violating these rules may be sanctioned or expelled without refund at the discretion of show management.

And an Ethics policy:

All of the following constitute grounds for expulsion from the convention without refund:
  • Violating any federal, state, or local laws, facility rules or convention policies
  • Failure to comply with the instructions of Gen Con Event Staff or security personnel
  • Using anything in a threatening or destructive manner against person or property
  • Endangering the safety of oneself or others
  • Threatening, stealing, cheating or harassing others
  • Failure to conduct oneself in a mature manner

The creators of the 13th Age RPG have anti-harassment policies for their organized play because “Nobody shows up for a game with the goal of feeling uncomfortable or unsafe, and sorry that they came. But organized play brings together many different types of people with different expectations and approaches to play. An anti-harassment policy sets ground rules that everyone can recognize and follow, resulting in better games and more fun.” In the policy they outline harassment as “Everyone has the right to a space that is safe from any type of harassment: physical, verbal, emotional, or sexual.”

Honestly, considering the experiences that have been related to me, these sorts of policies should be commonplace for conventions and organized play. I have heard that Paizo is currently drafting an anti-harassment policy for their organized play, and Ad Astra Games has one in place already.

These are some of the more overt things that women have to deal with in their tabletop gaming experiences, and doesn’t go into the more “casual” or systemic harassment and sexism that women deal with at conventions, in online play and at game stores. One of the women talked about women being a subclass in society, and it being more so in gaming communities. “It sucks for a female gamer, going into a store and having that reaction.”

Men are openly commenting on women’s body parts in a sexual manner. Sexual content is added to games because “that’s the kind of stuff that women like.” Crude sexual references and jokes are made.

I’m not saying that there is no place for sexual, or adult themes, in gaming. Just the opposite, in fact. In my personal groups I game with grownups, and we play games that can have adult material in them. We have, however, agreed that content like that is okay in advance, and most of the time we agree that players’ agency over their characters should not be railroaded by the story of the game, or the actions of the GM. There is a huge difference between making awkward sexual comments out of the blue, because you are hoping it will interest a woman gamer, and making awkward sexual comments that people expect in their game. This goes doubly so for games in public spaces, like conventions or stores.

And just because it is okay with your wife, girlfriend or the woman in your gaming group at home, that doesn’t mean that it is okay with all women. If it makes someone at the table uncomfortable, or makes them feel like they are being harassed, just don’t do it, or apologize for having done it.

And, of course, none of them are safe from accusations of being a “fake geek girl,” or being in the store to get something for their husband or boyfriend. Apparently the idea that a woman would want to buy her own dice or miniatures or rule books is alien to some gamers.

As Jon Peterson, author of Playing at the World, points out in an online essay, there have always been gender problems in tabletop gaming. But he also points out that women have been interested in tabletop gaming for a long time. But, just because something has “always been that way,” it does not mean that it has to stay that way. Even in the 1970s TSR Games employees were taken to task by fandom, and female designers, to be more respectful of women gamers and to stop using phrases like “ladygamers.” Sadly, these attitudes that were considered to be outdated back then are still being perpetuated now…in some cases by some of the same people.

My first AD&D group, back in 1979, had a woman for the GM, and about half of the group were women. Most of my groups since then have had women involved in them. We need to be better, as a community, about these things. We need to speak out when we see women being harassed, online or in person, and we need to tell the people who think that doing this is okay that it isn’t. We need to be active in making the change that creates better communities where we don’t have to worry about our friends being harassed because of their gender, or their sexual preferences, or their ethnicity. We have to convince conventions and organized play societies that having anti-harassment policies is a good thing, and enforcing them so that everyone feels welcomed and accepted is a better thing.

Guys, we have to remember that this isn’t about us. This isn’t about our perceptions of what is happening at conventions, during organized play events and in online games. We sit back, listen and ask what we need to do, rather than try to make the discussion about how it “isn’t all men.” We already know that. We need to not take the focus away from what needs to be done.

There are never going to be completely safe spaces, in gaming or outside of it. However, we can make better places where no one has to worry about their body parts being part of the table talk, or their characters being sexually violated. It is the 21st century, and we should be better about this than we are. We need to stop being quiet, stop facilitating harassment, and we need to start making better spaces for ourselves and our fellow gamers. A group, like nerds, that talk so much about being harassed in their youth for being different should really be more sensitive about harassing others. We can, as a group, be better about this, and we need to do it.
 

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Taneras

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I'm really not in a "NOT ALL GAMERGATERS" mood.

But go ahead and ask them what can be done to stop the harassment of Anita Sarkeesian and see how far you get before outright misogyny. :)

After your first two assumptions missed you weren't shy about making a third. Kudos.
 

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Lehrbuch

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Duh. But you mentioned this as if it were a roadblock to my suggestion (treat everyone equal) being unable to reach equality today. What does the past have to do with fixing equality today?

We've been through this. Simply treating everybody equally sounds like a good idea, but it only works if everyone is already treated equal. If we ignore existing inequality (which is created by the past, and the other social structures we are presently embedded in), then treating everyone equally merely perpetuates the status quo. We need to do better than simply treating everyone equally.

My question was "What do the fact that some men are "socially-retarded idiots" have to do with disallowing male only tables?"

Your answer was "Fundamentally, because "male only" tables are socially-retarded idiocy, in the context of the gaming community."

Do you really think you answered that question?

Yes.

Ok, so since the genders are equal then there's no reason for gendered only tables?

As I said, the world is more nuanced and complex than you imagine.

The argument for why "women only" tables is a reasonable idea, and the argument for why "adult/children only" tables are a reasonable idea, are different arguments. Neither argument applies to "men only" tables. A man is neither a minority in the gaming community (like a woman), nor is a man (like a child) at a lesser developmental stage which has some impact on his capabilities and interests at gaming.
 


Barachiel

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My knowledge of gamer gate... Anita sarkisian was on one side and got rich.

Do you know how often this has been DEBUNKED? This is the blame the victim mentality in full effect. In a straight white male patriarchal society, I am given every reason to almost always take the side of a POC, woman, homosexual and any mix of that than I am to take the side of the former. One side is oppressed, the other are the oppressors AND in power, willingly or not.

It sucks the "good ones" have to be dragged into that category, but it's just like the police situation. If there are so many good cops, than where the heck are they when the bad ones get outta control? They do nothing, for many reasons, either because of their stupid "blue code"/"brotherhood" crap or because they will get harassed by their fellows for "ratting" them out, but good people who do nothing are just as bad in my book.

And it's the "good" people who are doing nothing that are making things so much more worse than it is.
 

Dannyalcatraz

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Just because nerds were involved means nothing whatever in any case I'm not moving the goalposts, you are.

Its not the same hobby. Pokemon is NOT D&D .Its not a role playing game . This you'll note is a D&D forum not a card forum . The targeted areas was a card tournament

You don't get to include cases that make your point because a couple of neck beards were involved, The cases don't fit.

It is not the same hobby. In any case I don't play CCG's and am not responsible for that they do. The CCG guys at my FLGS are great, very nice helpful people, a very diverse group.

Even if it was related a single case does not make your point,

On top of that this isn't apparently even related to harassment but to a killing spree. I'm seeing little connection between this and harassment at Cons.
Wait, are you asserting that RPG hobbyists don't commit sexual/violent crimes? Because if that is your position, you're dead wrong.

Don't know what episode it was, but the true crime show Deadly Women told of one LARPer who convinced another to kill for her.

And that isn't an isolated case.

Somewhere else on this board, someone else re-initiated a discussion from a 2002 issue of Dragon magazine about whether the prison system should continue to allow the existence of RPG groups. It varies from state to state, and the Feds have their own rules. That's right- more than a decade ago and continuing to this day, there were enough gamers in prisons in various states for permission for prisoners to engage in the RPG hobby to make the news.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?482694-When-Dragons-Play-Dungeons

We may be outcasts in some ways, but behaviorally, we're not significantly different from the norm.
 
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Barachiel

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I understand what happened to Anita, and a big bulk of those against her are worse than her. But what about the constructive criticism aimed at her and her videos? A non bias video series would include such material.

All of those reply videos have actually been debunked by reply material against that. And the link I posted, as I said, isn't focused on Anita it's focused on the people that turned her into a pariah and anyone else, it covers racism, classism, and other issues as well. The people known as the "Angry Jacks"
 

cmad1977

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The argument for why "women only" tables is a reasonable idea, and the argument for why "adult/children only" tables are a reasonable idea, are different arguments. Neither argument applies to "men only" tables. A man is neither a minority in the gaming community (like a woman), nor is a man (like a child) at a lesser developmental stage which has some impact on his capabilities and interests at gaming.

That this requires explanation is as unsurprising as it is disappointing.
 

Taneras

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If we ignore existing inequality (which is created by the past, and the other social structures we are presently embedded in), then treating everyone equally merely perpetuates the status quo. We need to do better than simply treating everyone equally.

Calls to treat everyone the same come from seeing that inequality currently exists and needs to be corrected, so why are you starting from the position of "If we ignore existing inequality"?


Then you're saying that the reason why some males acting like socially retarded idiots is a factor in considering whether or not we should allow male only tables is because male only tables are socially retarded idiocy.

There's not one lick of logic behind that.

The argument for why "women only" tables is a reasonable idea, and the argument for why "adult/children only" tables are a reasonable idea, are different arguments. Neither argument applies to "men only" tables. A man is neither a minority in the gaming community (like a woman), nor is a man (like a child) at a lesser developmental stage which has some impact on his capabilities and interests at gaming.

And none of that tells me why males shouldn't have their own male only tables - which was the original discussion.
 

This might be a kooky idea, but maybe we could get back to talking more about what is actually happening to women, and less about hypotheticals about what might happen to men or their hurt feels.
 

Taneras

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Cool. Sorry if I got something wrong. What did I miss in your ironically-worded gamergate apologism post?

Pretty much the entire post. You let your bias color your opinion before you even read what I actually typed and that's why your first post had two incorrect assumptions.
 

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