D&D 5E (2024) What’s the difference between sorcerers, warlocks, and wizards?

[Scribe]

Aren't Bards supposed to be the natural smooth talker of the party with the Charisma buff spells?

The flaw of multiple charisma casters, all being full casters as well.

 

[Crimson Longinus]

The flaw of multiple charisma casters, all being full casters as well.

More reasons to combine warlocks and sorcerers! And make bards half casters while we are at it!

 

[Corinnguard]

The flaw of multiple charisma casters, all being full casters as well.

Looks like there will be a thread on what's the difference between Charisma based casters down the road.

 

[Scribe]

Looks like there will be a thread on what's the difference between Charisma based casters down the road.

Sorc/Warlock/Cleric if "celestial" aligned.

It's a mess.

 

[overgeeked]

ETA: With a little more thought this should be a separate thread. Moving it over here.

D&D General Thread 'The Player's Quantum Ogre: Warlock Pacts'

Today at 7:56 PM

So a spin-off question from another thread. This one about warlock pacts...

If the idea of making a pact with some supernatural power in exchange for power is a key part of the fantasy, why are so many warlock players vehemently against the notion of that pact ever being a part of the actual fiction of the game?

For example, if the patron makes a request or demand of the PC, the player can and will refuse. Or if the patron even threatens to undermine the PC's power, the player gets mad.

The pact is treated as entirely one-sided and permanent and anything suggesting otherwise is rebelled...

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[Corinnguard]

More reasons to combine warlocks and sorcerers! And make bards half casters while we are at it!

Laser Llama has got you covered regarding the Half-Caster Bard.

Alternate Bard by laserllama

Check out the Chords of Power class feature.

 

[Voadam]

Aren't Bards supposed to be the natural smooth talker of the party with the Charisma buff spells?

Are you talking about sorcerers with deception, persuasion, and intimidate class skills, high SAD Charisma, and spells like charm person or enhance abilities?

Or warlocks with high SAD Charisma, charm person and suggestion spells, and deception and intimidate class skills?



Anybody can pick up social skills with a background, and social buff spells like enhance ability are pretty common, most anybody can be a decent (and quite a few can be very very good) party face who does mechanical social interaction. Even getting a wingman to interact and give you advantage is pretty easy and encourages more than one PC to interact socially even if they are not designed mechanically for it instead of sitting that part of the game out.

It is something I really like about 5e.

 

[Micah Sweet]

One class would have a wide array of divination magic (wizard)
One class would have a wide assortment of language magic and naturally speak their patron's tongue (warlock)
One class would have Charisma boosting and appearance magic (sorcerer).

A wizard wouldn't have the spells to smooth talk Lord Gray not the natural talent. But he would have the spells to contact an outsider who can inform them of information about the lord's domain.

Information he could do pass onto the sorcerer who is a natural smooth talker and has Charisma buff spells.

Can the wizard have a good charisma and proficiency in social skills, or is that too much bleed over?

 

[Micah Sweet]

Laser Llama has got you covered regarding the Half-Caster Bard.

Alternate Bard by laserllama

Check out the Chords of Power class feature.

Is there a link to Laserllama's work in general? I really need to look into it.

 

[Corinnguard]

Can the wizard have a good charisma and proficiency in social skills, or is that too much bleed over?

That would be the Sociable Wizard subclass.