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What are your thoughts on ANIME's influence on D&D?

What are your thoughts on ANIME's influence on D&D?


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Jürgen Hubert said:
If I remember AD&D 2E correctly, human characters tended to start in their teens back then as well - and that was well before anime became that popular in the Western World. And I don't know how things were in earlier editions of D&D, but I don't think they were that different.

When I was complaining about the culture of youth, I was thinking along the lines of cheap-and-easy multiclassing and swift leveling. Classes that should take years of apprenticeship are picked up after felling a mere 7 orcs (now I'm also a Wizard!). So that your teenaged Level 1 Ranger ends up being a master of steel, elements, time and dimension in a few months.

For the record, there's lots of anime I actually like. But I'd prefer to keep it far away from my D&D. That's just me, though.
 

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I think He-Man was probably the greatest influence for me and D&D. It was largely because of He-Man that I desired a copy of D&D in the first place.

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as for Manga influenced animation:

Manga influenced animation is really varied. A lot of it is Shounen-stuff: aimed for boys. Some of it is Shoujo -- aimed for girls. And there is Adult anime. Perfect Blue, Ghost in the Shell are all examples.

But D&D has a retroactive influence on Manga Animation. And the Japanese can't understand any of the underlying psychology under D&D in the first place. Which makes Western Fantasy styled manga animation an (almost) absolute mockery. And very humorous to watch!

Parn, Deedlit, Etoh, Naga, Gourry, Lina Inverse, Zelgadis; etc. They don't make any sense as names for D&D characters. But cute slimes?!? Blah!
 
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Korgoth said:
When I was complaining about the culture of youth, I was thinking along the lines of cheap-and-easy multiclassing and swift leveling. Classes that should take years of apprenticeship are picked up after felling a mere 7 orcs (now I'm also a Wizard!). So that your teenaged Level 1 Ranger ends up being a master of steel, elements, time and dimension in a few months.

I think easy multi-classing has less to do with a "culture of youth" and "anime influences" than getting rid of older restrictions, like those silly level limits for demihumans. Certainly, if one of the PCs in my campaign suddenly wants to multi-class as a wizard, then he'd better have a good in-character explanation for it.

But in my experience, most of those who multi-class as wizards have planned to do so from the start and do so at 2nd level, which makes explaining these things away easier.

And as for leveling up, from what I remember my old AD&D days we climbed in level at about the same pace...
 

Sir Elton said:
I think He-Man was probably the greatest influence for me and D&D. It was largely because of He-Man that I desired a copy of D&D in the first place.

hemanintro11ab5.jpg

This is a bit off topic, and maybe it's the wine talking, but He-Man just struck me as a bit Nietzschean. A giant buffed-up blonde-haired type wearing a leather vest sporting an iron cross while gripping an enormous sword and shouting "I have the power!" Hmm.

@ Jurgen:
Level limits "silly"!? No sir. They're there to enforce the humanocentrism of the world: the reason why Elves that live for 400 years aren't harboring dozens of 20th level wizards in their forest cottages is because, despite their impressive raw abilities, Elves do not have the same destinies to greatness as men. Just the same, an Elven Lord (like a 10th level Elf in Classic, or the equivalent in 1E) is still a force to be reckoned with (especially in Classic, owing to their almost invincible saving throws). Elves can't cast Wish and the like, which is why we're living in the age of Men (which would have been nipped in the bud about 3,000 years ago otherwise).
 




The bias on anime is some of the most ridiculous there is. I mean, wow, it's pretty obvious most of the people saying these things about anime have no actually experienced it with opened minds and probably base their entire opinion on the people who like anime.

Let's get one thing straight.

You know those 300+ pounds, wizard-hat wearing freaks who live in their parents' basement and like to pretend they are Gandalf on their free time? Do they represent DnD? No, so if those "otakus" are a deciding factor on your opinion about anime, even if you don't realize it, don't let it be. The lowest tier of geeks are annoying, no matter what they are into.

For the sake of simplicity, I mean both manga and anime when I say Anime. In my own opinion, manga is much superior to anime. Some will say the same compared to comics to cartoons.

Now, this point has been said again and again: Anime(and Manga) is not a genre, but a media. Anime are Japanese cartoons first, subculture far second. It just so happens most anime is fantasy(including supernatural and science fiction). However, anime isn't limited to fantasy either. Romance/drama, comedy, and horror are all popular themes.

I'm even willing to go as far to say that anime is more varied(in the mainstream) compared to American cartoons(in the mainstream), at least in recent history. When is the last time you've seen a dramatic cartoon, without superheroes? For America, things seem to be split into the following: (Children) Humor(the old classics like Bugs Bunny, Spongebob, ect), Action(Superhero shows, Avatar[which is anime influenced], Ben 10, ect), and Adult Humor(Everything on Adult Swim, South Park, ect).

And there is one very big factor is missing in American cartoons(but not comics) which is very common in Anime: Character/Plot development. Action anime is almost always split into arcs and chapters. This is either rare or slow in American cartoons, only happening in session premiers and finales most of the time. Anime is more like manga/comics, which for storyline purposes is almost always better. This is because most anime usually started out as a Manga... Manga is very, very popular in Japan, more popular than Anime. Imagine if Comics were more popular than Cartoons.

The Marvel series cartoons X-men and Spiderman are considered some of the best cartoons. This is because they were based more on comics than most action shows. This formula seems to be less and less apparent in America, even in Superhero shows.

(1) Cult of Youth - everybody assumes that your 15-year old girl should be able to be a ninja/swordmaster/olympic gymnast, or maybe also a wizard and ranger if she's so long in the tooth as to be 17 years old (practically out to pasture!). If you haven't made Epic by the time you're 19 you're probably an NPC.

Since when was this limited to Anime? I mean just look at Elves, they are practically eternally youthful. In almost every media that comes to mind, action heroes are usually young and dashing. Anime did not create this, not by a long-shot.

(2) Soap Opera - so the teenaged girl with Death Star-level psychic powers and the teenaged ninja/swordmaster/gymnast girl are having an affair, but the teenaged ninja/swordmaster/wizard boy likes the psychic girl, and how can he compete with Ai for Noriko's favor because he's only a wizard and not a gymnast, and maybe if he buys her roses in the next town blah blah blah. None of which has anything to do with exploring the Mad Wizard's dungeon. Unless someone casts Power Word Angst.

Again, since when did this come from Anime? Are you telling me that the Japanese invented the "human condition" in the last 50 years? If I recall correctly, there was back-stabbing, love affairs, and couple problems since the dawn of civilizations.

(3) Attitude - I have the suspicion that anime is partly behind the "Dungeonpunk" style of 3E. Obviously nobody can be a hero without asymmetrical spikey bondage clothes and wacky hair. These things are almost as important as being a teenager and having pointless angst.

Wow, third one, and still not spawned from anime alone. Spiky-clothing/armor have been popular since forever, at least if half the Roman gladiator art I see is true. Wacky hair is exotic, and fantasy loves being exotic. Again, angst isn't a man-made creation, and if you are dealing with teenager-problems in your game, it's not DnD, it is your players.

There is not an argument I've seen so far that makes a lick of sense. If I say anime influence my game, do I mean Naruto? or Bleach? or Death Note? or Love Hina? or... ect ect. The fact that anime is usually grouped together by art, not dialog or plot, makes this conversation even more pointless. What are you doing? Drawing as you play?

Do I think DnD represents Anime well? No. DnD can't represent any story decently. Not even LotR or Conan. DnD is DnD, and it's also a game.

the third most disgusting thing in the world (not including illegal stuff)

Why? I'm willing to bet you can't even say why.
 

Who gives a damn?

Some angry, angry people, apparently. :p

"Japanese animation killed my dog, stole my truck, ran off with my wife, copyrighted my country song, and piddled in my cornflakes. :( "
 
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