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What do you look for in a Gaming Store?

ladyofdragons said:


The Gamers Realm. http://www.gamersrealm.com. The one I go to is located in West Windsor, NJ, about 5 minutes down the road from exit 8 (or is it 8A...) on the turnpike. There is also one in Cinnaminson, near philadelphia. You might want to come down (up?) and try out their halloween all-night gaming party (has raffles and prizes and lots of games, a pretty nifty thing with a generally large turnout)

Let me just say - I LOVE Gamer's Realm - but last time I was in there, I was incredibly ticked off.

I went in to get Issue #300 of DRAGON (yeah I know, I should subscribe already). Anyway - just minutes after I arrived - an employee arrived with the copies of the magazine fromn the other store (I was in West Windsor). Upon hearing they had just come in I expressed that I would like a copy.

The guy at the counter told me they needed to get checked in. Ok, fine. I walked around the store for about 15 minutes, and browsed. Upon returning to the counter - I asked if I could get my copy of the magazine now. No, they still haven't been checked in. The guy at the counter then just stood there. I browsed for 5 minutes more, then asked - "are those Dragon magazine getting checked in so I can purchase one?" FInally the guy at the counter spoke up to another employee who was checking in the OTHER items that the Dragon magazines needed to be next.

I offer this as an example of BAD customer service. You know you have someone waiting for something. You know they would like to purchase it and there is a sale WAITING TO HAPPEN, yet you stand around and do nothing to facilitate that sale.

Rob Placer - if you're reading this post - please teach some of your employees some customer service skills. I love the store but all it takes is one bad experience to send a customer packing. I'll certainly come back and give you another shot, but I hope I NEVER encounter that again.

Let me also say that the store was not busy at the time this happened, and I have NEVER - in the 5 years I have been going to GR had any issues with them previous. It could just simply be an isolated incident - which I hope it is.

That all being said - what I look for is what GR is - good selection, decent help but not overbearing, good layout - which I think means the gaming section is at the BACK of the store so that it doesn't interrupt flow of traffic, decent size aisles and large selection. Gamer's Realm has all of this. I also like to see games other than RPG's - board games, card games, etc...so that I can see what's going on in all aspects of gaming. I especially like the "NEw release" rack - this shows me everything coming into the store for the week - one sweep with my eyes and I can see the latest releases!

--*Rob
 

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Roughly in order of importance...

Discounting:
As much as I buy, this has to be the major concern. I get a 25% discount from two local stores, but neither of them is a really typical game shop and neither of them really satisfies my selection requirement (see below); the fact that almost all my purchases are made through one of those two stores forces me to put Discounting at the top of my list. Before sitting down and writing this, I would probably have said that Selection was the #1 concern for me. I don't negotiate terms with stores, because I don't want/expect to be given special treatment compared to what their other customers get. I've just been lucky running into these two places.

Before I go on, it may be useful for me to introduce my local game shops:

"Jay's" (my shorthand reference for the Alamo Heights Hobby Heights Flag and Game Shop, run by Jay Moore) is a TINY place, something on the order of 65 sq ft. I barely have room to turn around in there, and the perishingly small amount of stock space is split between model kits, board games, Osprey books, RPGs, gaming magazines, flags and paints.

"Round Table" does most of its business as e-commerce, through Ebay. They don't have a store as much as they have an office with a small adjoining warehouse space in an industrial park. Their usual discount on most new products is 20%, but they kindly offered to match the 25% I get from Jay, once they saw the obscene volume of products I buy. :)

There are several local comic-shops-that-carry-games, with variable selections and price discounts ranging from 0% to 10% on new items.


Selection, Selection, Selection:
I make infrequent trips to two game shops in Austin (70 miles from my house) just to be able to look through a HUGE array of stuff on the shelves, much of which I would never get to see at the local stores in San Antonio. I rarely buy from the Austin stores (heck, I'm only there two or three times a year), instead using them to check out the things I can't see elsewhere, then ordering from Jay or the Round Table to get the discount.

One of two local comic shops (sadly, NOT the one where I buy my comics) is good about keeping the current d20 and other popular game lines on the shelves, so I do have at least one option for previewing games in town. But their game stock is maybe one-fifth of the volume of games that the Austin stores stock, so it's not a real replacement.

Jay or Round Table will let me order anything I want, so in that sense selection is broad, but OTOH neither of them is really set up to allow browsing; I can't use them to decide what I want, only to act on the decision.


Getting new stuff in fast:
Or at least being able to do so on demand. Since he has no room for shelf stock, virtually 100% of what I order from Jay is done by special order -- something I may have seen and browsed at another store, then ordered through Jay in order to get the hefty discount. Five years ago, I was getting a 30% discount from him, plus the ability to place an order on any Thursday and almost certainly receive it the following day; now Jay can only place orders every few weeks and my discount has dropped to 25%...still hard to beat. :)

Round Table places an order almost every week, but like all retailers, they're at the distributor's mercy, so even they can't guarantee that I'll always receive an in-print item right away.

I often end up not being able to take advantage of their usually rapid service, because I have to wait until some less on-the-ball store gets the game in, which allows me to look at it and make a decision, then place an order at one of the discount stores, at a time when the distributor may have started to run low on his stock. :(


Remembering My Name
I buy a lot of game stuff. I'm going to be a frequent customer. I don't give the retailer a hard time about things he can't control, like his distributor, or the failure of a publisher to make their announced release dates. I don't ask for special treatment or pricing compared to other customers. But I would like to be treated like someone the retailer knows and isn't unhappy to see. I want to be on a first name basis with the store owner and/or primary employees, and I want them to have an idea of what kinds of things I like to buy so they can help keep me informed of new stuff coming out. The comic-shops-that-sell-games tend to have a high employee turnover, so it's almost like every time I walk in there, it might as well be the first time: the store employees know nothing about me and don't want to.

This should be more important than getting stuff in fast, but I am not the most patient guy around, so let's call this equally important...


Used Items
It's often nice to be able to trade in stuff you wish you hadn't bought, or pick up cheap copies of things you don't think are quite worth the retail price but might have some use for.


20th Century Technology
Yes, I said 20th, not 21st. The best game shops, online or otherwise, will have an online game inventory, updated weekly, and allow ordering online...or they'll have a weekly mailout telling you what new items came in that week...or both. A second-class game shop will have a web page and an email address, and may accept manually-processed orders by email, but will have no provision for point and click purchases (a la "Add Item to Cart"). A third-class store -- by the way, these "class" ratings apply only to the "20th Century tech" rating, not to the overall worth of the shop -- will have no website, no mailout, and indeed no ability to receive email. In this category, Round Table is first-class, Jay's is third.


Community Support:
I don't generally game at shops, but I appreciate a store that provides space for them as needs it. HOWEVER, I really wish this space would be limited to a back room or side room...some of the local stores have folding tables set up right in front of the game shelves, so that if I go into the store at the wrong time, I'm having to crawl over hordes of MtG-playing kids to peruse the shelves. By all means, give 'em a place to play, but I don't want them underfoot.


Location:
Well, the two stores I buy from are much farther than the stores I don't buy from, so obviously this isn't a huge consideration for me.
 

Hey Jezter6,

I didn't think anybody still gamed in the Wyoming Valley, based on the gaming shops that are still opened. I am normally up there once a month on the weekend and about shat on myself when I opened up the phone book and went to all the shops in Wilkes-barre, Kingston, and Hannover. Either closed on Sundays, Mondays, Tuesdays, or Not in existance anymore.

I have not been to any up in Scranton recently, but I don't think the one up in Dickson City by the viewmont mall is still there. It was pretty hurting four years ago. I plan on hitting Excaliber or some such on Drinker St. next time I am up there.

Phoenix on S. Main St in W-B pissed me off the most though. I could never understand a shop that was closed for half the week.

All-in-all the gaming situation there is terrible. Hopefully a good store can bring some back into the fold. Let me know when you open one... let me know if there are any stores left.

After all this, the most important thing I look for in a gaming store. That it is not closed :(

Gotta say though, I like some of the stores out in Pittsburgh. Phantom in the Attic (Squirrel Hill/Shadyside) and the one ten miles north of Pgh were very good. Wouldn't mind moving there except for the parking.
 

The game store that I frequented for my first ten years of roleplaying is Aero Hobbies in Santa Monica, CA. It's an old-school gaming store that doesn't have gaming space, doesn't rely on CCG sales, and is perhaps my Mecca. Here is why I like it so much:

- Selection: Gary keeps in a broad range of product lines and has always had good obscure stuff. He's mostly has what I want in stock (only once or twice has he not - in 10 years).

- Knowledge: He hasn't played them all, but he's played a lot. He listens to his customers and passes on word of mouth. He's been in the business long enough to remember old games and obscure ones and has a good idea of what's on the market currently.

- Keepin' it real: He's a gamer. He likes what he does. He isn't a pushy salesman. He just runs his shop, keeps up with trends worth keeping up with, and has witty banter where needed.

I don't shop there for discounts (never even bothered asking). I would have driven hours to get there (had I been so cursed to live in the valley, I would have done the Sepulveda Pass to shop there). For me, it was a spiritual thing and it made me happy to support brick & mortar mom & pop (although it's just a pop in this case). I quit shopping there when 2nd Ed drove me out of gaming. I popped in on a whim and he got me back into it with 3rd Ed.

Nobody does it better.
 

Jas,

The stores around this area suck, which is why I'm planning on opening downtown in the midtown village. Since it's close to wilkes and kings.

Phoenix seems to be open daily, but they're a comic store. D&D stuff isn't really their game. CCG's are about the best they do other than comics.

The Game Studio moved out of town to Nanticoke, and they're almost exclusively tabletop stuff like Warhammer and HeroClix. And CCG's..

But since they moved out of town, I don't know how they're going to do..

I don't know of any other shops across the river or up in scranton, but I figure they really aren't my worry...ok, maybe the ones across the river...but with my customers downtown, I think I'll do ok. Just look for us when you're driving downtown wilkes-barre. I should be open by x-mas...mid-january at the latest.

** Edit: Most stores in w-b are closed sunday, it's just some kind of law. I won't be open on sunday either I don't think. I may take mondays off to give myself a full 2 day weekend, but again I'm not sure. I may have someone come in and run the register on monday so I can stay home and sleep.
 
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Right on, it will be good to see a new gaming store. I hope it goes well. I'll be looking for it. What is it called?

Maybe that was a one-time occurance with Phoenix. I didn't bother taking too much time to look though, since last I was in there all they had was some old Spelljammer stuff.

Too early in the morning for me to form my sentences properly.

I wouldn't worry about any competition. The only store I found aside from the Walden's at the Mall is the Games Workshop one on Blackman St.

I did notice though what appeared to be a possible game store in d/t Pittston of all places (my hometown.) Haven't checked it out though.
 

I often head down to St. Louis and always go to three places:
1. Bass Pro Outlet
2. Blueberry Hill
3. The Hobby Shop on South Hampton

This place has a great selection: Miniatures, Games, Military figures, source books, and an awesome selection of paints. The owner is a tremendously nice guy named Ken who seems to really care about his customers.

The gaming space is very nice and well laid out. The whole store is well-lit and clean.

The best thing about the store is that Ken will go out and get whatever is hot no matter who is carrying it. He had Warhammer Ancients in his store before anybody else. He had Vallejo paints before most had heard of them. That's what makes this store worth the trip everytime!
 

Jasperak,

the one on blackman st is the one that moved out of town...and my place is going to be called 'orc and pie games.'

speaking of which, to the rest of the post...are names important to you guys? I know I don't like going into 'hobby' shops to find my d20, only because most of the racks end up being models and paints, and only one small rack of d20 stuff.
 


Discounting?

I'd be happy with cover around here. The biggest player in town has been routinely upping prices for years (probably as long as they've been around). By shrinkwrapping the products (all books, softcover, hardcover, 400 pages, 30 pages - its all sealed) and placing a pricetag in the proper spot, customers can't even determine what the book is supposed to cost. They've got two good sized stores with decent selection in the city. Their main competition is a comic shop that's up to three locations, but only gets in Wizard's core products on their own. They can get other stuff, but everything they carry is purchased through Diamond, meaning they can't get everything, and much of what they can get is late. Near their mall location is a card shop that's expanded a bit into roleplaying stuff. Since d20 started, they've expanded to two(!) whole shelves for rpgs, and they actually try to get stuff from a variety of publishers (although some people's stuff never shows up - FDP for example). Of course, over the past eighteen months, they've started to slowly increase their prices above cover too. Guess too many customers were telling the owner how abusive Warp is.

Anyone in Calgary know how the Sentry Box is pricing new stuff? That was my idea of a lgs.
 

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