What do you want to see in D20 Dragonlance?
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Geron Raveneye
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Hmmm...
...I´m not sure if they really need to remodel the Kender, Gully Dwarves and Tinker Gnomes. It´s been said elsewhere already, but if you look at the Weis/Hickman stories, those races are much more than comic relief walking around on two legs. Tasslehoff Burrfoot is more adult, in some places, than his companions...and Bupu was the one point where Raistlin showed his very caring and human side first. Don´t judge those races by what they have been made into in some later stories...look at them the way their creators wanted them to be, and you´ll see they don´t need any changes.
And, by the way...natural selection..in a world where every race has been created magically? Come on now...this isn´t called fantasy roleplaying for nothing...
...I´m not sure if they really need to remodel the Kender, Gully Dwarves and Tinker Gnomes. It´s been said elsewhere already, but if you look at the Weis/Hickman stories, those races are much more than comic relief walking around on two legs. Tasslehoff Burrfoot is more adult, in some places, than his companions...and Bupu was the one point where Raistlin showed his very caring and human side first. Don´t judge those races by what they have been made into in some later stories...look at them the way their creators wanted them to be, and you´ll see they don´t need any changes.
And, by the way...natural selection..in a world where every race has been created magically? Come on now...this isn´t called fantasy roleplaying for nothing...
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Henry
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Vax, if you want to see the Kender, Gullies, and Tinker Gnomes as they were Intended, Read (or Re-read) the first three Dragonlance books (Autumn Twilight, Winter Night, and Spring Dawning) and then the three "Twins" Books (Time of the Twins, Test of the Twins, War of the Twins). THAT is the original vision for the races. There was some comic relief in there, but as Geron mentioned, there was some very enlightening moments in there too. In many cases, Tasslehoff noticed many things wrong with Raistlin before the entire rest of the group did.
Gully Dwarves are pathetic, poor creatures, even lower than goblins in many ways - but also capable of nobility and purpose, and quite a few surprises.
Concerning their survivability, Kender were blessed with many special abilities to support their curiosity. They were immune to fear, but not stupidity, as seen in Tasslehoff and many kender in other early 1990's books by other authors. (Of course, an equal number were shown by OTHER authors to be stupid as lemmings, but that's the whole point of contention in the first place.) They also had fantastic abilities at hiding and not being seen, and they also had uncanny skill with both ranged and melee weapons, specifically a hoopak.
The obvious similarities between the Rings Trilogy and Dragonlance were entertaining to me. Music and art was important to Krynn, and is a subject no longer played up in other settings, such as the Forgotten Realms. It tells you much about a people, to flesh them out in a campaign. WHile the main books delved into the info slightly, "Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home" did much to flesh out the world, and gave DM's much to add flavor to the world.
I myself would not like to see much change from the Dragonlance Adventures 1st edition book and this one. Only add the changes that are necessary to get it in line with what WotC requires inclusion of, and flesh it out with perhaps a whole chapter on music, art, tales, etc. that make the world alive, and make the majority of the book on handling the mechanics that make Krynn different from other D&D campaigns.
Gully Dwarves are pathetic, poor creatures, even lower than goblins in many ways - but also capable of nobility and purpose, and quite a few surprises.
Concerning their survivability, Kender were blessed with many special abilities to support their curiosity. They were immune to fear, but not stupidity, as seen in Tasslehoff and many kender in other early 1990's books by other authors. (Of course, an equal number were shown by OTHER authors to be stupid as lemmings, but that's the whole point of contention in the first place.) They also had fantastic abilities at hiding and not being seen, and they also had uncanny skill with both ranged and melee weapons, specifically a hoopak.
The obvious similarities between the Rings Trilogy and Dragonlance were entertaining to me. Music and art was important to Krynn, and is a subject no longer played up in other settings, such as the Forgotten Realms. It tells you much about a people, to flesh them out in a campaign. WHile the main books delved into the info slightly, "Leaves from the Inn of the Last Home" did much to flesh out the world, and gave DM's much to add flavor to the world.
I myself would not like to see much change from the Dragonlance Adventures 1st edition book and this one. Only add the changes that are necessary to get it in line with what WotC requires inclusion of, and flesh it out with perhaps a whole chapter on music, art, tales, etc. that make the world alive, and make the majority of the book on handling the mechanics that make Krynn different from other D&D campaigns.
I seriously wonder if there is a place where one could send their ideas on what they want they the Dragonlance setting to be like.
Kinda like what WoTC did when they took over West End Games rights to publish Star Wars. They asked what timeline you wanted to play in and alot of other stuff. Not to mention the ability to convert D6 characters over to D20.
Kinda like what WoTC did when they took over West End Games rights to publish Star Wars. They asked what timeline you wanted to play in and alot of other stuff. Not to mention the ability to convert D6 characters over to D20.
If Weiss has creatve control on the new DL book, I think that Kender and Gully Dwarves and Tinker gnomes will be fine. It's up to those playing said campaigns and using said races to use these races properly, all the book can do is set the stage. And Weiss/Hickman always had a fairly intelligent, if somewhat trouble prone Tas as opposed to the standard "Idiot" Kender that is seen later...
My "requests" for the book is simple... Inlcude the info from the Boxed DL Campaign set from 2nd ed. Great book, good read, good information. I'd expect it to be comprehensive about the DL specific races and such, so no fear there.
Also, make sure that there is info on the original setting. The "5th Age" has it's fans, so it has it's place, but if I want to play, I want to play a game set either right before the cataclysm or around the Chronicles/Legends era, and I want the rules to refelct those era's...
Heh... A no-cleric game could be fun, if a bit brutal![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
Bull
My "requests" for the book is simple... Inlcude the info from the Boxed DL Campaign set from 2nd ed. Great book, good read, good information. I'd expect it to be comprehensive about the DL specific races and such, so no fear there.
Also, make sure that there is info on the original setting. The "5th Age" has it's fans, so it has it's place, but if I want to play, I want to play a game set either right before the cataclysm or around the Chronicles/Legends era, and I want the rules to refelct those era's...
Heh... A no-cleric game could be fun, if a bit brutal
Bull
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We at Sovereign Press would like you to know that we are cruising all of the major message boards (and the Dragonlance newsgroup), so even your opinions here could influence our decision. If you feel very strongly about an idea, feel free to e-mail me ( jamie@sovstone.com ), as I have been collecting a lot of ideas and opinions.
Thanks guys!
Jamie Chambers
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Sovereign Press, Inc.
Arcanus said:
We at Sovereign Press would like you to know that we are cruising all of the major message boards (and the Dragonlance newsgroup), so even your opinions here could influence our decision. If you feel very strongly about an idea, feel free to e-mail me ( jamie@sovstone.com ), as I have been collecting a lot of ideas and opinions.
Thanks guys!
Jamie Chambers
Managing Editor
Sovereign Press, Inc.
DwarvenBrew
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As long as it has the wizards towers and orders...
IMO, the Towers of High Sorcery and the different wizard orders was the best aspect of any campaign setting I have ever used.
In fact, what made Dragonlance a memmorable setting for me was the history/tradition woven into it (such as the wizards, the Knights, the different elven kingdoms, Thorbardin, etc...).
I guess in short, I would probably come back to Dragonlance if they really flesh out the setting before, during, and immediately after the War of Lance. Everything after those periods could be done as an appendix (ie I might do a really short campaign in those eras, but that's it). It was up to and immediately following the War of Lance that gave the setting its "magic".
What I wouldn't want, is all of the eras partialy detailed. I would rather have 1 or 2 eras done really well and in depth and the others outlined in an appendix than a bunch of decently done eras.
In terms of fleshing out the setting, I hope that they do not just focus on the areas where the novels focused. My gaming group originally left Dragonlance because the setting felt very small.
The setting's detail really focused on the areas that the Companions ventured into. As player characters, you kind of felt like you were competing with the novels, so eventually you kind of got an "it's already been done" type of feeling. I hope that they really make an effort to detail some history, plot hooks, geography, etc...on areas that were not featured in a novel.
IMO, the Towers of High Sorcery and the different wizard orders was the best aspect of any campaign setting I have ever used.
In fact, what made Dragonlance a memmorable setting for me was the history/tradition woven into it (such as the wizards, the Knights, the different elven kingdoms, Thorbardin, etc...).
I guess in short, I would probably come back to Dragonlance if they really flesh out the setting before, during, and immediately after the War of Lance. Everything after those periods could be done as an appendix (ie I might do a really short campaign in those eras, but that's it). It was up to and immediately following the War of Lance that gave the setting its "magic".
What I wouldn't want, is all of the eras partialy detailed. I would rather have 1 or 2 eras done really well and in depth and the others outlined in an appendix than a bunch of decently done eras.
In terms of fleshing out the setting, I hope that they do not just focus on the areas where the novels focused. My gaming group originally left Dragonlance because the setting felt very small.
The setting's detail really focused on the areas that the Companions ventured into. As player characters, you kind of felt like you were competing with the novels, so eventually you kind of got an "it's already been done" type of feeling. I hope that they really make an effort to detail some history, plot hooks, geography, etc...on areas that were not featured in a novel.
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I'd really like Dragonlance to be published like Star Wars, in that you get books and such for each time frame that you want to run in.
It should also be D&D not some hybrid like SW or WoT.
Besides the main rulebook I'd like to see:
Setting Book #1: Istar.
Setting Book #2: War of the Lance.
Setting Book #3: Chaos War (For those who do like it).
Taladas & Ansalon Sourcebooks.
Monsters of Dragonlance.
Also, a sourcebook on the Towers of High Sorcery would be good as well.
It should also be D&D not some hybrid like SW or WoT.
Besides the main rulebook I'd like to see:
Setting Book #1: Istar.
Setting Book #2: War of the Lance.
Setting Book #3: Chaos War (For those who do like it).
Taladas & Ansalon Sourcebooks.
Monsters of Dragonlance.
Also, a sourcebook on the Towers of High Sorcery would be good as well.
Sorta combine the Star Wars and Forgotten Realms "expansion" books concept?
Basically, do "Setting" books like Star Wars (Rebel Era, New Jedi order Era, etc), plus expansions for mehcanics and such...
I'd like to see, and would buy (And note, these would be my first d20 purchases, Sovereign! Shows you how much I like the setting
):
Dragonlance Corebook
Magic of Krynn
Monster of Krynn
Pre-Cataclysm Era Sourcebook (Huma period through Cataclysm)
War of the Lance Era Sourcebook (Post Cataclysm till the beginning of "The 5th Age")
5th Age era sourcebook (5th Age on)
The only one I likely wouldn;t get would be the 5th Age stuff... I never had much interest in it, honestly. Also if a Taladas book was done, I probably wouldn't get that either. But I'd buy the rest guaranteed
Bull
Basically, do "Setting" books like Star Wars (Rebel Era, New Jedi order Era, etc), plus expansions for mehcanics and such...
I'd like to see, and would buy (And note, these would be my first d20 purchases, Sovereign! Shows you how much I like the setting
):Dragonlance Corebook
Magic of Krynn
Monster of Krynn
Pre-Cataclysm Era Sourcebook (Huma period through Cataclysm)
War of the Lance Era Sourcebook (Post Cataclysm till the beginning of "The 5th Age")
5th Age era sourcebook (5th Age on)
The only one I likely wouldn;t get would be the 5th Age stuff... I never had much interest in it, honestly. Also if a Taladas book was done, I probably wouldn't get that either. But I'd buy the rest guaranteed
Bull
