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What happened to Izmir?

hopeless

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What happened to Izmir?

In the first dungeons and dragons movie, Izmir was a massive metropolis that resembled Sharn from Eberron to a small degree (in that Sharn would make Izmir look "small").

Then when they made the sequel movie set a century later Izmir had now shrunk to the size of maybe a small city... so what happened?

Is there another Izmer a metropolis abandoned for some reason, just waiting to be explored, or has the Blackmoor setting released something to clear this up?
 

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I think they were just distancing themselves from the original movie somewhat, which is a shame, since the now-vanished D&D movie setting articles at the WotC site were pretty nice. I imagine the never-released setting book has had its electrons shredded as well. :(
 

teitan

Hero
hopeless said:
What happened to Izmir?

In the first dungeons and dragons movie, Izmir was a massive metropolis that resembled Sharn from Eberron to a small degree (in that Sharn would make Izmir look "small").

Then when they made the sequel movie set a century later Izmir had now shrunk to the size of maybe a small city... so what happened?

Is there another Izmer a metropolis abandoned for some reason, just waiting to be explored, or has the Blackmoor setting released something to clear this up?

What does Blackmoor have to do with it?
 

Henry

Autoexreginated
The movie was made by two different directors and writers, hence the disconnect. I don't think anyone released any explanation, but there are as half-dozen possible explanations one could make up to explain it (you just did the most obvious one above!)
 

WayneLigon

Adventurer
Probably no reason beyond 'we need a way to tie this totally re-done movie to the first one for some obscure continuity (or contractual) reason, so we'll just use a few names and a character from it'.
 

Kae'Yoss

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Maybe they wanted to pretend that the first movie never happened? I know most of the D&D community would gladly do this ;)
 

Cthulhudrew

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Whizbang Dustyboots said:
I think they were just distancing themselves from the original movie somewhat, which is a shame, since the now-vanished D&D movie setting articles at the WotC site were pretty nice. I imagine the never-released setting book has had its electrons shredded as well. :(

They're still there, you just have to dig around a bit:

Journey Through Dungeons & Dragons: The Movie

Society of Sumdall

Some random Movie links

I know there was a thread either here at ENWorld or else on the Mystara board at WotC that posted some more links to those articles as well.
 






Klaus

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hopeless said:
What happened to Izmir?

In the first dungeons and dragons movie, Izmir was a massive metropolis that resembled Sharn from Eberron to a small degree (in that Sharn would make Izmir look "small").

Then when they made the sequel movie set a century later Izmir had now shrunk to the size of maybe a small city... so what happened?

Is there another Izmer a metropolis abandoned for some reason, just waiting to be explored, or has the Blackmoor setting released something to clear this up?
Either a lot of Dispel Magic to eliminate all those Wall of Stone spells used to make those towers, or an Epic spell called "Budget Cut".

:)
 

Hypersmurf

Moderatarrrrh...
hopeless said:
In the first dungeons and dragons movie, Izmir was a massive metropolis that resembled Sharn from Eberron to a small degree (in that Sharn would make Izmir look "small").

Then when they made the sequel movie set a century later Izmir had now shrunk to the size of maybe a small city... so what happened?

Most of the food, the trade, the economy, and so on, was all enabled by the mages.

Then, at the end of the first movie, the Queen declared that mages and commoners were now equal.

A month later, the commoners went to the mages. "We're running out of food," they said. "Trade is drying up, the economy is tanking. Why aren't you doing anything?"

"You're our equals now," replied the mages with a shrug. "You fix it."

But they never did.

-Hyp.
 

The Grumpy Celt

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I always thought (well, I thought little of the movies, however you wish to define the term) the city in the first one was the capital while the city in the second one was just some podunk village the king was visiting to make it easy on his enemies.
 

Knightfall

World of Kulan DM
hopeless said:
I heard DA was placing Izmir in his blackmoor campaign world but never heard anything more about it.
Hw was considering it, but I don't think he was able to get permission. I had an e-mail conversation with him back in 2002 about Izmer. Here's the e-mail I sent him...

From: Robert Blezard
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 6:17 PM
To: darneson...
Cc: Arneson, David
Subject: From my Web Site

Hi Dave,

I have some questions for you regarding the Empire of Izmer and its characters. Mainly, I want to find out if the Empire was originally from Courtney's homebrew campaign world or if he just made it up for the movie. Does he have a website for his company or personally?

The reason I'm asking this is because I'm in the process of adapting Izmer to fit into my campaign world. I've got all the info and PDF downloads from WotC's site but I'm clamoring for more. I bought the novelization, as well as the movie.

Attached is a JPG map of what is going to be my Izmer with place named from the movie and novel. (Note: Izmer is only going to be a kingdom in my campaign that was once part of a larger empire.)

Were official maps of Izmer, Sumdall and/or Antius City ever done or can you even discuss that? I have a lot of burning questions but don't want to go into all of them unless your willing.

Cheers!

Robert Blezard
Edmonton, Alberta
Canada
And here's his reply...

From: Arneson, David
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:16 AM
To: Robert Blezard
Subject: RE: From my Web Site

Dear Robert,

Although at least partially based on Corey's world Izmer was pretty much made up for the movie. How much so I do not know for sure.

The characters in the movie were all done for the movie.

Corey has no websites.

WOTC downloads are fairly inaccurate. I should know since I was chosen by Corey to do the module after WOTC flubbed it.

Since I did all that work, and WOTC scrubbed movie support (Before the movie came out BTW) I added it to my campaign world.

In my case I placed the Empire beyond the Great Mountains to the West of the Afridi (i.e. REAL far away.) How viable an empire it is I have left open to question. After all just because the Mages think that they are so great does not make it so. And the Dragon Rods do not have unlimited range after all.

Izmer is pretty much done. Based on Prague, Czech. A wonderful old city that has survived intact. I really really like the place.

Antius is partially done but far from complete. The 'Tower' Castles are really a cool idea. Izmer it self is sketchy.

I hope to include all this as a supplement to the Blackmoor source book (out next year).

Last that I heard I can talk about the world and characters for the most part. A few things are 'Secret' but not much.

Respectfully,

Dave Arneson
 

trancejeremy

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I think the real answer is that the original movies had a pretty big budget ($30-35 million), while the sequel was direct to video and had a budget of a couple million.
 

Cthulhudrew

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Whizbang Dustyboots said:
I wish they'd just go ahead and release the setting book as a free PDF on their site, if they're never going to sell it.

There were several articles in Dragon magazine around the time the movie came out as well, most of which had character stats and/or magic items in them. About three or four articles in total, which (along with the interviews) would help to flesh out such a product.
 


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