D&D (2024) What happened to proficiency bonus times per day?

[Remathilis]

I think it was Tasha that introduced the concept of having limited features that can be used a number of times per day equal to the proficiency bonus. This went on for a while, but it seems to me that the idea has been completely dropped for the 2024 revision. Was there ever some discussion from WotC about this?

To reinforce the notion that you need a 20 in your primary score as quickly as possible.

On the plus side, all those PB/LR species and classes can now be updated to Mod/Rest and be resold.

 

[Remathilis]

Unpopular opinion: multiclassing is a curse upon the game. The necessity to balance around it severely constrains game design and not in a good way.

Agreed

 

[Ancalagon]

Unpopular opinion: multiclassing is a curse upon the game. The necessity to balance around it severely constrains game design and not in a good way.

I don't fully agree with you, but you aren't entirely wrong

 

[payn]

To reinforce the notion that you need a 20 in your primary score as quickly as possible.

On the plus side, all those PB/LR species and classes can now be updated to Mod/Rest and be resold.

I wish the design was more MAD and not pump the primary as its become in 5E/PF2.

 

[DrJawaPhD]

Unpopular opinion: multiclassing is a curse upon the game. The necessity to balance around it severely constrains game design and not in a good way.

That's not really an unpopular opinion. Even among people who extensively multiclass (like myself) there are many that think the game would be better without it.

It's actually really easy to fix, they need to buff the high level class abilities so that sticking with one class actually matters, instead of front-loading all the powerful features in the first few levels. WotC doesn't want to put any cool abilities at high level though since "no one plays high level DnD", so that leads to multiclassing being vastly superior

 

[payn]

That's not really an unpopular opinion. Even among people who extensively multiclass (like myself) there are many that think the game would be better without it.

It's actually really easy to fix, they need to buff the high level class abilities so that sticking with one class actually matters, instead of front-loading all the powerful features in the first few levels. WotC doesn't want to put any cool abilities at high level though since "no one plays high level DnD", so that leads to multiclassing being vastly superior

I played 3E/PF1/5E extensively and its very rare to have multiclass PCs "vastly" superior to straight class. In fact, it was prestige classes in 3E and work around feats in PF1 that led to the worst shenanigans that 5e doesnt have at all. You are correct about high level features being a waste of time from a balancing perspective though.

 

[DrJawaPhD]

I played 3E/PF1/5E extensively and its very rare to have multiclass PCs "vastly" superior to straight class.

I only know 5e, but multiclass characters are vastly superior to straight class characters in terms of damage done.

The only time it ever makes sense to stick with one class is for casters who want high level spells since these do scale in power, unlike class abilities. For Martial characters, you always should multiclass, it is objectively much better

 

[Vaalingrade]

Hopefully gone forever and awaiting all the other daily resources in the burning pit.

 

[mellored]

You still see it in species and feats. Just not in classes.

 

[Vael]

Unpopular opinion: multiclassing is a curse upon the game. The necessity to balance around it severely constrains game design and not in a good way.

A la carte multiclassing like 3rd and 5th editions, I will definitely agree. I preferred 4e style, with either Hybrid classes or Multiclassing via feats.