What happens when a disjunction hits a blessed book?

[Vorput]

Spells - What happens when a disjunction hits a blessed book?

My wizard breaks down and sobs uncontrollably for days on end...

 

[frankthedm]

My wizard breaks down and sobs uncontrollably for days on end...

Disjunction is why not every spellbook is a "Blessed book". I personaly feel it is about damn time players got it into thier number crunching skulls that there were reasons not every NPC had one. And the best way to get something into a skull is the hard way.

 

[Hypersmurf]

So what about if a targeted dispel magic causes it to become non-magical for only a few rounds?

Is it just-as-was when the magic returns, or does catastrophe result the moment the magic leaves?

-Hyp.

 

[Ciaran]

That would mean 900 Secret Pages were on that last page. My way only has 10 secret pages per page.

This is a reasonable interpretation, but I think it's unnecessarily literal. The blessed book clearly isn't a simple secret page enchantment; if it was, you wouldn't need to use the magic item creation rules. I'm perfectly comfortable with accepting that 1000 pages of material are fitted onto 100 pages without directly mapping things into a 10:1 compression ratio. It's magic, you know...

Which is to say, if one way seems more fair to the PCs, or more entertaining or fun, why not let that take precedence over a technically accurate but dramatically flat interpretation?

 

[frankthedm]

This is a reasonable interpretation, but I think it's unnecessarily literal. The blessed book clearly isn't a simple secret page enchantment; if it was, you wouldn't need to use the magic item creation rules. I'm perfectly comfortable with accepting that 1000 pages of material are fitted onto 100 pages without directly mapping things into a 10:1 compression ratio. It's magic, you know...

It stops being magic when disjunction nails it, you know. It can also matter when some jerk tears pages out of your book. And the spell secret page actually lends itself VERY well to a compression ratio to map what goes where.

My orginal idea looked like this
001 010 020 030 040 050 060 070...
002 011 021 031 041 051 061 071...
and  down

Though this one looks better.
001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008>>>>
101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108>>>>
and  down

You would still need the item creation rules:
To avoid scribing costs, secret page does not help with this.
To avoid loosing Secret Pages to mere Dispels Magics, secret page is permanent but is plenty vulnerable to dispelling.
To reduce the size of the actual book.

Which is to say, if one way seems more fair to the PCs, or more entertaining or fun, why not let that take precedence over a technically accurate but dramatically flat interpretation?

I use the interpretation thas is most fair to those who paid thier dues and wrote thier spells the normal way.

And on that note the disjunctioned pages may not even be large enough to hold spells. The book is significantly smaller than an actual spell book seems to be and as such might be 20 secret pages on one smaller than a spell book page.

Hyp.

From what it looks like to me, the dispelled Blasted Book would look like a 100 or 50 page book, either blank or with those first 50 or 100 pages filled with spells if the DM allows scribing onto smaller than usual spellbooks.

 

[Mistwell]

I'd make it go inert for future entries. That is to say, anything previously written is still there, but it can no longer be used to add new spells to it.

 

[MachinaDeus]

I'd personally go with the entire book becomes a blank 100 page book. Blessed Books are things that you fill with all your spells and keep them in your Stronghold or Leomund's Secret Chest. Keep a regular old spellbook for travelling.

 

[Mistwell]

I'd personally go with the entire book becomes a blank 100 page book. Blessed Books are things that you fill with all your spells and keep them in your Stronghold or Leomund's Secret Chest. Keep a regular old spellbook for travelling.

Would you make the same ruling if a disjunction hit a "regular old spellbook"? As in, would the regular spellbook become blank as well?

I am not understanding why people think the blessed book is has a continuing effect on spells already writen into it. The magic seems to only effect the writing of the spell itself, not the spell once it is already written into it.

 

[MachinaDeus]

Would you make the same ruling if a disjunction hit a "regular old spellbook"? As in, would the regular spellbook become blank as well?

I am not understanding why people think the blessed book is has a continuing effect on spells already writen into it. The magic seems to only effect the writing of the spell itself, not the spell once it is already written into it.

I would not make the same ruling for a regular spellbook for 3 reasons:

1: A regular spellbook does not require the Craft Wonderous Item feat to make.

2: A regular spellbook does not have a caster level minimum to create.

3: A regular spellbook does not have a continuing "Moderate Transmutation" aura, or *any* kind of aura at all.

So, regular spellbook = not magical. Blessed book = Magical. Non-magical book gets hit with Disjunction and stays non-magical. Magical book gets hit with Disjunction and becomes permanantly non-magical.

 

[Mistwell]

I would not make the same ruling for a regular spellbook for 3 reasons:

1: A regular spellbook does not require the Craft Wonderous Item feat to make.

2: A regular spellbook does not have a caster level minimum to create.

3: A regular spellbook does not have a continuing "Moderate Transmutation" aura, or *any* kind of aura at all.

So, regular spellbook = not magical. Blessed book = Magical. Non-magical book gets hit with Disjunction and stays non-magical. Magical book gets hit with Disjunction and becomes permanantly non-magical.

I agree on all counts, and yet do not understand why previously written spells would disappear from the Blessed Book but not from the regular book. The feat, the minimum caster level, the transmutation aura, the magic, all of those impact ONLY the scribing of a spell into the book and not the continuing existance of the spell already in the book. A spell already in the book functions in all ways exactly like a spell in a normal spellbook. Why would the spell be harmed by the disjunction in one kind of book but not the other?