Mallus said:I had something else I wanted to say, but, thanks to the last couple of posts, now all I can think of is an order Marxist paladins.
They would be Avengers, not Paladins.

Mallus said:I had something else I wanted to say, but, thanks to the last couple of posts, now all I can think of is an order Marxist paladins.
Mallus said:Kinda beautiful, isn't it? But we'd be better off going with Trotsky. Stalin wasn't LG ("And the award for Understatement of the Year goes to...").
S'mon said:Cultural Marxism takes a lot from Nietzsche, actually. Think about the Cultural Marxist derived conception of Human Rights that now dominates moral-political discussion in the West. It assumes the primacy of the individual and their Rights pretty much a priori.
edgewaters said:Uhm, no. That would be the West, really, with its concept of enlightened self-interest and similar notions which underpin capitalist theory.
Communism places the good of the society above that of the individual. It talks of the necessity of sacrifice for the cause, which is a consistent theme in all Soviet art, literature and propaganda.
edgewaters said:The notion of human rights is not particularly derived from Communism, but has a very long history in the West...
edgewaters said:Secular human rights are a different sort of beast, they presume the existance of individual rights and forbid society from infringing on them - not to achieve a collective benefit, but because, by the theory of enlightened self-interest, the collective would benefit as a side-effect of promoting the individual above the society.
S'mon said:I just want to say again that I don't see subordination of the individual to the mass *by others* as Lawful behaviour, within the Law-Neutrality-Chaos alignment system (like I said I use the OD&D/BX/BECMI system IMC). A Lawful society is a society under the Rule of Law, and has enforceable laws that limit just this kind of thing, whether it's by the State or by other individuals.
Willing subordination of oneself to the common good certainly is Lawful;
forcing others to subordinate themselves to the common good is not Lawful, and if the common good is frequently redefined it becomes Chaotic;
Forcing others to subordinate themselves to your personal good is Chaotic.