What is 'Enterprise' missing?

Darius101 said:

They realize that they have had some weak scripts and the big boys watch certain fan messageboards. (not sure about this one though). They want to know what to do right. They are trying to keep the franchise alive and when the franchise started to wane they didn't really understand why so they began to ask the fans what they wanted. They just didn't do it directly.

I doubt they read this one. This is a relatively small group discussing Star Trek here. The official boards on Star Trek.com probably get read, though. How much criticism is foud there is an open question. I don't read them, so I don't know, but I would imagine that the bashing of Braga and other disliked elements of Trek is fairly light.

OTOH, on boards where Braga is weekly bashed by irate fans are probably completely ignored.


I just recently read some interview with the writer of "Nemisis" and he stated that he knew the fans wanted to see Sela and Spock but he felt he couldn't do them the proper honor so he didn't write them in. Interesting yes?

Ha! More like Nimoy wanted too much money to do the movie. :)

Or maybe not; this was seen as TNG's crew final film featuring just them, so maybe they wanted to leave Nimoy out of it.


But I think they need to make it more "Military like" than what it is now. The old series was like a Navy in space. This is more like D&D in space to me. Too casual in some ways. Part of it is that Roddenberry and crew had all been products of WW2 and Korea and Vietnam was going on. It is great to have a sense of family but this is still an exploritory arm of a military machine.

Well, the way I understand it, Roddenberry himself felt that Starfleet was not a military ogranization. So any of the non-military feel goes back to him. It would seem that Berman is adhering to Roddenberry's vision at least in this matter.
 

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Orius said:

The official boards on Star Trek.com probably get read, though. How much criticism is foud there is an open question. I don't read them, so I don't know, but I would imagine that the bashing of Braga and other disliked elements of Trek is fairly light.


From the brief glances I have given the boards at Star Trek.com, the dissastifaction with ENT is about the same as here.

Myrdden
 

myrdden said:


From the brief glances I have given the boards at Star Trek.com, the dissastifaction with ENT is about the same as here.

Myrdden

Ah, well then there's hope. :)
 

John Crichton said:
They have a good cast in place and if this Romulan War happens, the show can only improve.

I am curious how/when or if this will proceed. If they keep some resemblance to established ST timelines, the Romulan War should be in the next couple of seasons or so. If that is true, Earth had better start cranking out the starships as the Enterprise can only do so much!

Myrdden
 

Speaking of which, you would think to see all of the other Earth's starfleet ships (less than Warp 5) travelling around still close to the Terran System. Then again, NX-01 have ventured farther than the others.

I'm beginning to wonder how many sister ships does the Enterprise have (e.g., NX-02, NX-03)?
 

Nice points Orius.


They do not look at this board but they do look at "other" boards. I know this for a fact as Mike Moore from HMS is known on a board I frequent. His Nick was Propmonkey and he has changed it in the last few months. Also Gene and Majel's son Eugene "Rod" Roddenberry also frequents a board or two. I have talked with him on the phone and he has said that B&B are interested in what the fans are saying. They like to frequent the many boards to see what the buzz is about things they try. They do not fully understand why the franchise is floundering like it is.
They were very surprised by the low box office take on Nemisis. My first reaction was look at what else was out at the time.
Myrrden you are correct on the fact that many many fans of Trek are very dissatisfied with the new show. That is reflected in the ratings from week to week.
Ha! More like Nimoy wanted too much money to do the movie.

Or maybe not; this was seen as TNG's crew final film featuring just them, so maybe they wanted to leave Nimoy out of it.
They never even approached him or Denise to reprise roles as they were never even written into the original script for the movie. Brent spiner wrote the rough idea for this last film. They called another writter to help write it.
Onward and upward:
The map you had pointed to uses a number of published sources for their information and that is where you get the discrepencies that were pointed out. One of the sources appears to be the Star Trek Concordence. Another Source is clearly the Spaceflight Chronology that came out in 1981 (maybe 1980).
The Star Trek Encyclopedia is or was written by the staff of Next Gen with the idea being of putting into print all the information from the shows that they could use now and in the future. Some of it is off a little if you look at the old series..but it is a great book for reference. This appears to be what they are using to try to have some consistancy and why the old timers like me notice such big differences with the cannon of the old series...it is irratating.

About Roddenberry's vision for the future....Tolerence, Peace, Racial and sexual equality for all are all a part of it. He had great hope for the Human race. This is part of the original appeal of the show. To find out more I would read the making of book published in the 60's before you say they didn't feel Starfleet was military. The book is by Stephen Whittfiled and was republished in the 1990's. There are also a number of other books about the genisis and vision of Trek you can read.

The Orions were pirates and slave traders in the old series much like they have portrayed the Ferengi as in a recent Enterprise episode. I also get the feeling that they are more Mafioso types in the 24th -25th Century. Rememember Enterprise is in the 22nd cenury according to their pilot episode. we should at least hear about the other ships like the Horizon (A piece of the Action) which made it to deepspace 100yrs before the Enterprise in the old series.
Watch the episode "The Menagerie" Or "The Cage" and see how they changed the cannon to irritate us old timers.

Oh and Yes the Vulcans already have shields. That was shown once and Archer was so mad he asked T'Poll what else the Vulcans were hiding from us Humans.

WOW this is a much longer post than I intended...
Enjoy,
Darius

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Ranger REG said:
Speaking of which, you would think to see all of the other Earth's starfleet ships (less than Warp 5) travelling around still close to the Terran System. Then again, NX-01 have ventured farther than the others.

I'm beginning to wonder how many sister ships does the Enterprise have (e.g., NX-02, NX-03)?
One could speculate that since the current mission is going fairly well (all things considered) that other ships are being constructed. I'm interested to see what the first true warship will look like. That is if they make one...
 

Darius101 said:

They were very surprised by the low box office take on Nemisis. My first reaction was look at what else was out at the time.
To be brutally honest, I still can't see how they can be surprised of the competition last December. They knew full well about The Lord of the Rings second film. They knew full well about the Harry Potter second film. They already knew about the James Bond film, Die Another Day.

They knew. They're just banking on the Trek fans to watch it anyway, what with all the hype of hiring John Logan, known for scribing the Academy Award-winning epic film, Gladiator. They thought that to write a film about the Romulan, whose culture paralleled the Roman, they brought the big gun.

I missed Nicholas Meyer. :(
 

Ranger REG said:

To be brutally honest, I still can't see how they can be surprised of the competition last December. They knew full well about The Lord of the Rings second film. They knew full well about the Harry Potter second film. They already knew about the James Bond film, Die Another Day.

They knew. They're just banking on the Trek fans to watch it anyway, what with all the hype of hiring John Logan, known for scribing the Academy Award-winning epic film, Gladiator. They thought that to write a film about the Romulan, whose culture paralleled the Roman, they brought the big gun.

I missed Nicholas Meyer. :(
Meyer was great. I loved all the info that he gave on the Wrath of Khan DVD. Honestly, my favorite Trek film was The Undiscovered Country (with II coming in right behind it). Meyer did both of the best Trek films to date. If Paramount would give him some control over the next film it could bring Trek movies back to their former glory. And maybe then we could get a meaningful Picard storyline told outside of the TV show....
 

John Crichton said:
One could speculate that since the current mission is going fairly well (all things considered) that other ships are being constructed. I'm interested to see what the first true warship will look like. That is if they make one...

There was a side comment in an episode at the end of last year (or maybe the beginning of this year) that because Enterprise was performing well, Starfleet had begun planning the construction of two more NX class vessels. It was a really brief comment.

Myrdden
 

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