What is it about Drizzt that you just can't stand?

I was fine with Drizzt pretty much up to the point when Salvatore starts a section of the "Drizzt grows up" book with a god-awful piece of poetry praising his pet cat. That's pretty much the point he became mock-worthy. :) Salvatore can write some nice action scenes, though, that's for sure.
 

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Piratecat said:
Salvatore can write some nice action scenes, though, that's for sure.

Definately. He seemed to have a bit of a rough time with the fight scenes involving unarmed combat with Danica, but he fell into his groove pretty quick. I describe my own fight scenes much in the same way as well.
 

Couple of queries for the peanut gallery:

Have you ever used Drizzt in your game?

If so, how?

(To be honest, I'd expect a good deal of players to become tempted to become murderous or larcenous in order to make off with his ph@t l3wt, plus for boasting rights later...)
 

rounser said:
Couple of queries for the peanut gallery

Hijacker. ;)

rounser said:
Have you ever used Drizzt in your game?

Nope. One of my player's characters is a naive elf that asked and NPC whether or not Drizzt was real. The NPC told him to grow up and not believe every little children's tale he heard of. It was amusing at the time.
 

I don't hate Drizzt. I actualy like Drizzt. I hate the legions of fanboy clones, and I hate the legion of bandwagon Drizzt Haters. It bothers me when the most some people can say about Drizzt is "He wins". Wow. Gee. I guess thats something totaly new amongst the 'heroic' main character of a book. I have no problem if you just "don't like" him, or if you think you have legitimate reasons to not like him... but drek answers like that rub me the wrong way.

Anyhow, a couple points to Kengar's post:

1) Actualy, in Forgotten Realms, there does seem to be a slow-but-steady "racial" change taking place in the drow... Witness the growing number of good drow living on the surface. There are a number of possible reasons for this I suppose, but I certainly wouldn't discount it being "in the blood" in some way or another. Remember, these aren't humans were talking about... it's entirely possible they have some semblance of "genetic memory"... its not an unprecidented concept. And very likely he DID pick up some of it from Zaknafien... I don't remember the exact age, but he was too small to pick up a halberd (As described in the book) when he was basicly given over to Zaknafien... and before that, he had been raised by Zaknafien's daughter, who seemed to have some semblance of the "goodness" of Zaknafien in her, even if it was much repressed.

2) Actualy, Drizzt DID work hard. Admitedly, they basicly glossed over that section of his life, but he trained from a VERY early age, for a considerable length of time, waking to sleeping, under Zaknafien and then in the academy. And just because they don't preface every chapter by saying "And then Drizzt practiced some more when he awoke that day." doesn't mean he DOESN'T keep practicing... in fact, its pretty much said he does in a couple of places. The "coin toss" thing wasn't demonstrating skill, by the way, it was demonstrating potential. I still didn't like that particular scene very much, but when he caught those coins, he still wasn't a fighter of any skill. He simply showed he had a high DEX score. :)

I'm hardly the first person to sing the praises of Drizzt... I don't much like Forgotten Realms in general... but a bit of recognition of the fact that, until he started living with Bruenor's people, basicly his entire life from aroung age 10-ish has been spent either training, fighting for his life, or both, is I think in order here. And we aren't talking five or ten years here... Drizzt is, what... around 80-100-ish? I don't know off hand. I know he's young for an elf, but he's not a kid by human standards. He does has some tinsy-weensy bit of "right" to be "good".

On a similar note, drizzt doesn't ALWAYS win, and when he does win, a lot of times it's not through his own skill. How many fights has his cat saved him? What about the fight with the Balor where he survived basicly by a lucky sword hit from a magical sword? Or when he was taken as a slave by the Illithid? Or when the Zombie-Zaknafien commited suicide, rather than continue the fight (Which wasn't going well for Drizzt)? Or when Entreri KILLED him? (Granted, AE cheated, but Drizzt still lost)... Let's face it, Drizzt is the "star" of his books... He's not going to loose battles left and right to minor foes, any more than a couple of Nazi's would threaten Indiana Jones, or a couple of guys on motorcycles would kill James Bond. But do you loathe THOSE characters with the same level of intensity as you do Drizzt? I doubt it.
 

will not use Drizzt as I have no desire to proliferate the use of 'twinks' in my campaign. That and I will not run FR as well. I utterly dislike the ruleset and the setting all together. I enjoy feeling like my pc's are vulnerable, set in a magic 'lite' area, and not weighed down upon by a pantheon more prolific than the US House of representatives (the one without 2 people per state going).


Throwing drizzt into the mix just doesn't bode well for my group, my world, and my thoughts on the character in general. He would not last more than 1 day in the world of Daemonforge....



PS. Kreynolds 90% IS basically 'everyone' that is perfectly acceptable to say. 90% of anything is a high majority of anything and darn near close to being complete majority. Perhaps everyone is bad but a High Majority is better use of the phrase. And I will argue semantics :)
 

Leopold said:
He would not last more than 1 day in the world of Daemonforge....

Oh yeah? Well no Daemonforge PC would last 10 seconds in my Frog-Blender-O'-Matic campaign setting, so what's your point? :D

Leopold said:
90% of anything is a high majority of anything and darn near close to being complete majority.

Yes. 90% is indeed a high majority, and darn near close to being a complete majority. But what about this. If it's darn near close to being a complete majority, then it can't be a complete majority in any way, shape, or form because it is already considered a high majority or darn near to complete. It's either complete or it's not. Pick one.

By the way, 100% is a complete majority.

Leopold said:
And I will argue semantics :)

...and lose. :)
 
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What I hate about Drizzt

I don't hate Drizzt. Drizzt is a great character from a damn fun series of books.

I only hate Drizzt the Forgotten Realms NPC complete with stats.
 

kreynolds said:

Yes. 90% is indeed a high majority, and darn near close to being a complete majority. But what about this. If it's darn near close to being a complete majority, then it can't be a complete majority in any way, shape, or form because it is already considered a high majority or darn near to complete. It's either complete or it's not. Pick one.

By the way, 100% is a complete majority.


Oh, I don't know about this "it's either complete or it's not" business, kreynolds. Seems to me that you're being an almost-complete ass :). Not a COMPLETE ass, but I wouldn't say you're not being an ass at all!

:D

On the Drizzt note, I'm toying with the idea of throwing him into my Against The Elves campaign. Even though he's supposedly a "good" Drow, I can't imagine that he'd get along with a bunch of goblins and orcs and kobolds (i.e., the PCs.)

Apparently, he kills them quite regularly, for no good reason at all. I just need to think of a creative way to insert him.
 
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Re: What I hate about Drizzt

TiQuinn said:
I only hate Drizzt the Forgotten Realms NPC complete with stats.

Yeah. I can live without stats of fictional characters that I dig. Sometimes, your imagination and dice just shouldn't mix. Besides, I have a really solid picture of all the cool characters from various novels, and I don't need a set of stats to complete them.

Although, it's just a polite little nod that they put his stats in there anyway.
 

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