5E What is the most powerful spell?

TheSword

Explorer
At any level Counterspell is the most powerful spell.
I’m deadly serious about this. I’d summon woodland creaurea or true polymorph is powerful then the ability to stop these things Is just as powerful and impactful.

However Counterspell only uses a reaction rather than a bonus action

Can be cast at a lower level with a risk of failure

Can stop any spell (whereas each other spell can only do the things it’s designed to do)

It is undoubtably the most powerful spell in the game.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
I’m deadly serious about this. I’d summon woodland creaurea or true polymorph is powerful then the ability to stop these things Is just as powerful and impactful.

However Counterspell only uses a reaction rather than a bonus action

Can be cast at a lower level with a risk of failure

Can stop any spell (whereas each other spell can only do the things it’s designed to do)

It is undoubtably the most powerful spell in the game.
Situational though, not good when magic is not being used ergo I would not rate it the best spell.

I would probably do this rating by level.

Guidance
Bless
Pass Without Trace
Fireball/Hypnotic Pattern
Banishment
5 ?
6 ?
7 ?
8 Simulacrum (its fairly good all by itself).
9 Wish/Foresight

Foresight duration and not requiring concentration though....
 
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Stalker0

Adventurer
Also, just noting on format. The Eldritch Knight spells really throw me for a loop every time I see them, the format feels jarring.

I personally would rather see two sections. One for regular, one for Eldritch Knight. But having them mismashed like they are making it hard for me to follow.
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
Also, just noting on format. The Eldritch Knight spells really throw me for a loop every time I see them, the format feels jarring.

I personally would rather see two sections. One for regular, one for Eldritch Knight. But having them mismashed like they are making it hard for me to follow.
Really the ‘Eldritch Knight’ subsection includes Bards, Paladins, Clerics, Druids − any spellcaster that fight melee.

Would calling it ‘Gish’ make it clearer?
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
I’m deadly serious about this. I’d summon woodland creaurea or true polymorph is powerful then the ability to stop these things Is just as powerful and impactful.

However Counterspell only uses a reaction rather than a bonus action

Can be cast at a lower level with a risk of failure

Can stop any spell (whereas each other spell can only do the things it’s designed to do)

It is undoubtably the most powerful spell in the game.
I understand what you are saying. Counterspell is as powerful as any spell of any hostile spellcaster.

It is somewhat situational in that the opponent must be a spellcaster. And it is reactive, rather than proactive. In other words, Counterspell doesnt actually do anything. It stops someone else from doing something.

That said, it is powerful.

If you have a location where you would like to see Counterspell rank, let me know.

At the moment, my take away is, you would like to see it rank below Wish. Meaning having the Counterspell is more desirable than having the Wish spell.
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
[MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION], [MENTION=5889]Stalker0[/MENTION]

Based on popular demand, Guidance 0 ranks as the best cantrip.

So, people would rather have the Guidance cantrip than have the Eldritch Blast cantrip. (Really?)
 

mortwatcher

Explorer
I’m deadly serious about this. I’d summon woodland creaurea or true polymorph is powerful then the ability to stop these things Is just as powerful and impactful.

However Counterspell only uses a reaction rather than a bonus action

Can be cast at a lower level with a risk of failure

Can stop any spell (whereas each other spell can only do the things it’s designed to do)

It is undoubtably the most powerful spell in the game.
problem with counterspell is that it can be... counterspelled


now I'm not sure if it's adding or diminishing this power...

[MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION], [MENTION=5889]Stalker0[/MENTION]
Based on popular demand, Guidance 0 ranks as the best cantrip.
So, people would rather have the Guidance cantrip than have the Eldritch Blast cantrip. (Really?)

yes I would. there are plenty of "I do damage cantrips", there aren't any other skill boosting cantrips afaik
 

Stalker0

Adventurer
I understand what you are saying. Counterspell is as powerful as any spell of any hostile spellcaster.
Counterspell is similar to bless in that the spell remains strong and relevant at any level. A 20th level character still makes a lot of use out of counterspell, just as they would bless.

On the other hand, counterspell does have specific counters, such as counter spelling the counterspell, and of course the 60 foot range.

Its hard for me to quantify, in some cases its dirt worthless. In others its one of the most powerful spells out there.
 

Stalker0

Adventurer
Really the ‘Eldritch Knight’ subsection includes Bards, Paladins, Clerics, Druids − any spellcaster that fight melee.

Would calling it ‘Gish’ make it clearer?
Its not the name, its just placed in a weird place to me in each of the levels. Honestly I would rather have the spells just laid out into the general list instead of placed in a special subsection. I know why that was done, but for me its just more confusion.
 

Zardnaar

Hero
[MENTION=6716779]Zardnaar[/MENTION], [MENTION=5889]Stalker0[/MENTION]

Based on popular demand, Guidance 0 ranks as the best cantrip.

So, people would rather have the Guidance cantrip than have the Eldritch Blast cantrip. (Really?)
Yep EB by itself isn't that great until you combine it with hex and agonizing blast. I have a Tomelock celestial warlock so I have both.
 

TheSword

Explorer
Counterspell is similar to bless in that the spell remains strong and relevant at any level. A 20th level character still makes a lot of use out of counterspell, just as they would bless.

On the other hand, counterspell does have specific counters, such as counter spelling the counterspell, and of course the 60 foot range.

Its hard for me to quantify, in some cases its dirt worthless. In others its one of the most powerful spells out there.
It even counters itself!
 

Yaarel

Adventurer
Its not the name, its just placed in a weird place to me in each of the levels. Honestly I would rather have the spells just laid out into the general list instead of placed in a special subsection. I know why that was done, but for me its just more confusion.
I will probably leave the Setup section separate because it is more like a ritual, and not really cast on the fly.

I when I have time, I will integrate the Eldritch Knight section in with the rest of the list. Probably I will put a short ‘− melee’ tag, meaning any spell that range 15 feet or less.

If you have a chance to go thru the Eldritch Knight sections, feel free to recommend which spells you want to see them between.
 

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