What would you assign as the ECL of a Quasi-diety?

[Humanophile]

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The Einherjar (D&D pg 199) are given a CR of 20, although they are quasi-deity 20th-level fighters. No CR bonus is given for the quasi-diety traits (which seems odd).

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By the same note, all titans are either 20th level wizards or 20th level clerics, and that's before oodles of stat bonuses, huge size, and great innate spells. Cr of 21. But I'd be very, very iffy about handing a first level character +16 to strength alone for a +1 cr adjustment. Personally, I think that things like that have to do with the creatures missing out on the gear and such that makes high level characters worth every drop of their CR in combat. Or maybe it's that many of the abilities mean less at obscene level.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

I'm still waiting for my D&Dg (should be here tuesday), but I can't wait much longer.

The quasi-deity template is quite strong for a mere quasi-deity. I was thinking that a quasi-deity would be an obstacle to be overcome easy enough: a couple of class levels above the guy and he's in your pocket. But you'd have to have quite a significant advantage over him in order to kill him, even at this low divine rank.

What about the ability scores of a quasi-deity? This erbin, being only quasi-deity and rog1, has nothing below 24, and even a 40. Same goes with Imhotep from the excerpt. How much do the ability scores of a quasi-deity pushed up?

 

[Roland Delacroix]

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By the same note, all titans are either 20th level wizards or 20th level clerics, and that's before oodles of stat bonuses, huge size, and great innate spells. Cr of 21. But I'd be very, very iffy about handing a first level character +16 to strength alone for a +1 cr adjustment. Personally, I think that things like that have to do with the creatures missing out on the gear and such that makes high level characters worth every drop of their CR in combat. Or maybe it's that many of the abilities mean less at obscene level.

That would make a really cool casting PrC though, one that lets you work your way up to Titan. You grow larger and everything, kinda makes sense too. In a D&D way. Then there would be no CR adjustment, or you could factor it into the PrC maybe.

 

[oliverhenshaw]

By the same note, all titans are either 20th level wizards or 20th level clerics, and that's before oodles of stat bonuses, huge size, and great innate spells. Cr of 21. But I'd be very, very iffy about handing a first level character +16 to strength alone for a +1 cr adjustment. Personally, I think that things like that have to do with the creatures missing out on the gear and such that makes high level characters worth every drop of their CR in combat. Or maybe it's that many of the abilities mean less at obscene level.

But Titans are ECL 30 according to the recent dragon, I think the idea is that abilities are more powerful for PCs than they are for NPCs, and so ECL bonus is typically higher than CR.

And yes, PCs of ECL x have more equipemtn than npcs/monsters of CR x, according to the tables in the DMG.It's something I've only just realised, cos I'm stupid.

 

[oliverhenshaw]

By the same note, all titans are either 20th level wizards or 20th level clerics, and that's before oodles of stat bonuses, huge size, and great innate spells. Cr of 21. But I'd be very, very iffy about handing a first level character +16 to strength alone for a +1 cr adjustment. Personally, I think that things like that have to do with the creatures missing out on the gear and such that makes high level characters worth every drop of their CR in combat. Or maybe it's that many of the abilities mean less at obscene level.

But Titans are ECL 30 according to the recent dragon, I think the idea is that abilities are more powerful for PCs than they are for NPCs, and so ECL bonus is typically higher than CR.

And yes, PCs of ECL x have more equipment than npcs/monsters of CR x, according to the tables in the DMG. It's something I've only just realised, so I'm not sure if it means an 11th level fighter npc is CR11 just because of his having 21K of equipment instead of 66.