What's Happened To Warhammer 40K Wrath and Glory?

The new Warhammer 40,000 Role Playing Game "Wrath and Glory" has vanished from the list of products offered by Ulisses North America, who were initially licensed by Games Workshop to publish this game that premiered at Gen Con 2018.

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The current web page does not include the game in its dropdown list, but it's still available on DriveThruRPG.

A thread on the official forums raises the question of whether the line was dead, and a customer was told "No it is not. We are just negotiating with Games Workshop how exactly it proceeds".

Hopefully it's just a wrinkle. There has been talk of it spinning off to another website.

 

[Retreater]

On their official website forums, it is indicated there are some licensing issues. I wouldn't be shocked if it's the end of the product line, as apparently there were quality issues and not a lot of product to support it.

 

[imagineGod]

On their official website forums, it is indicated there are some licensing issues. I wouldn't be shocked if it's the end of the product line, as apparently there were quality issues and not a lot of product to support it.

I am concerned about the licensing from Games Workshop, since any technical glitch would not just target all "Wrath and Glory" pages but leave all others intact on the Ulisses North America website.

 

[dynath]

I never really cared for them starting another 40k RPG when Dark Heresy was as good as it was.  It just screamed of GW not supporting products people liked.

 

[DMZ2112]

Whoops, looks like it's time to pull the trigger on that Dark Heresy 2e PDF purchase I've been putting off.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

I wonder about a reboot of the franchise. I wouldn't be surprised if we find a retcon because "Kronika did it". The change of the background it wouldn't be so radical. Some squats would survive genocide by tyranids, more humans factions, and maybe some parallel universe like "Mirror, mirror" in Star Trek.

Do you think Hasbro could buy GW? It would keep the darkgrimm gothicpunk look, but maybe the background would be "softer".

 

[Morrus]

Do you think Hasbro could buy GW?

What an odd pivot!

 

[Ghal Maraz]

I never really cared for them starting another 40k RPG when Dark Heresy was as good as it was.  It just screamed of GW not supporting products people liked.

A heavily convoluted system, already out of production by some years, that supported only a playstyle and excluded the majority of the playable archetypes and races from the background. Not mentioning that it was a system created by another company (Black Industries) and implemented by a second one (FFG); a system conceived as the third iteration of an Eighties system (WFRP; WFRP 2; DH), with a simulationist base mixed with some d20-isms. A system which, in its second edition, according to various data, already sold significantly less than in its first edition.

Well, no. No, sorry, I wouldn't call that "GW not supporting products people liked".

 

[AdmiralCrackbar]

Pivoting into a simplistic, "play what you want", micro-transaction laiden, cartoon action adventure was clearly not the correct response.

 

[imagineGod]

A heavily convoluted system, already out of production by some years, that supported only a playstyle and excluded the majority of the playable archetypes and races from the background. Not mentioning that it was a system created by another company (Black Industries) and implemented by a second one (FFG); a system conceived as the third iteration of an Eighties system (WFRP; WFRP 2; DH), with a simulationist base mixed with some d20-isms. A system which, in its second edition, according to various data, already sold significantly less than in its first edition.

Well, no. No, sorry, I wouldn't call that "GW not supporting products people liked".

Upon release that Black Industries "Dark Heresy" was a top five game according to Enworld stats, and the follow up by Fantasy Flight Games, Rogue Trader, too was in the top five games. This was around 2008 to 2012. Also the d100 group of systems do pretty well for Call of Cthulhu with Chaosium having its many dedicated fans for decades. And finally, many Warhammer 40,000 fans are Imperial players so pretty content not playing the xenos and chaos Armies in role play.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?1984-Top-5-RPGs-Compiled-Charts-2008-Present

 

[imagineGod]

Warhammer 40,000 Dark Heresy did well enough reaching second only to D&D.

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[Ghal Maraz]

And I still see no reason to not get better.

Try to sell D&D 4th edition nowadays and let's see how well it'll perform.

Excluding players who want to play Xenos because the majority plays Imperium is not even a reason, actually. You should try to include more, not less.

 

[SkidAce]

That sounds like heresy...

 

[Alzrius]

Excluding players who want to play Xenos because the majority plays Imperium is not even a reason, actually. You should try to include more, not less.

 

[Retreater]

Try to sell D&D 4th edition nowadays and let's see how well it'll perform.

I'd buy it. Haha

 

[Wightbred]

Although there is only war, I don’t feel like we need to start an edition war.

Dark Heresy is a great game that many people love that I enjoyed for many years that has lots of products available. I’d be disappointed if it was removed for sale as it would limit options for people who wanted to play it.

WanG is a great but different game that myself and many people are really enjoying, but it has only limited products available. I’d be disappointed if it was ended before at least some additional products were produced.

Why would liking one of these games stop anyone wanting the other to be an ongoing success for other gamers?

 

[Stacie GmrGrl]

This seems very quick. Officially the game has only been out a few months, only 4 months out in print. It just seems too early to pull the plug.

 

[Psikosis]

Well this is disappointing. I like W&G quite a lot having played some Imperium warband games. I think some source books for Ork and Eldar warbands would have been helpful in getting it rolling and explore the non-Imperium options. An Ork warband sounded like a fun concept. I agree with others that it's an awfully short time frame for terminating the license and game.

 

[imagineGod]

Well this is disappointing. I like W&G quite a lot having played some Imperium warband games. I think some source books for Ork and Eldar warbands would have been helpful in getting it rolling and explore the non-Imperium options. An Ork warband sounded like a fun concept. I agree with others that it's an awfully short time frame for terminating the license and game.

Termination is a strong word. Though partial radio silence from Ulisses Spiel to questions about the uncertainty on the website and concern expressed by fans is worrisome.

 

[Morrus]

Termination is a strong word. Though partial radio silence from Ulisses Spiel to questions about the uncertainty on the website and concern expressed by fans is worrisome.

I can’t speak for them, but when you’re a licensee, you’re often not free to make statements without going through an approvals process with the licensor. It very much varies by licensor.

(That’s why you often hear an announcement about a licensed property and then almost nothing until a year later when it’s a month from release).