What's the difference between D20 Fantasy and D&D?

[BroccoliRage]

That doesn't make your answer any less ofeensive to some people.



Dude. You posted that you believe D&D 3x isn't real D&D. On a forum dedicated to D&D 3x. You can rationalize that as light-hearted fun all you want, but realistically, very few people who play D&D 3x will see it that way. In fact, if you went to a forum specifically dedicated to AD&D1e and said that AD&D1e wasn't real D&D, you'd get the same kind of response (possibly more negative). It's not a funny "ha ha" -- it's an offensive remark that denigrates somebody else's brand of fun.



You've repeatedly stated that you don't understand why people are so offended by your remarks and have dimissed their offense as them not being able to take a joke. What I'm saying is that you didn't tell a joke inj this instance. You made an insulting remark. If you make insulting remarks, expect people to be insulted. That's all I'm sayin'

Whatever. MY opinion was asked and given. And the joke I'm talking about is in a different thread.

You guys win. That seems to be the only thing that will put this noise out of it's misery.

 

[jdrakeh]

I have good friends of mine who think heavy metal is rubbish - they only like techno & trance.

Do they come to your house every couple of days, stand on your front lawn and scream that what you like is crap, then call you thin-skinned when you tell them to either calm down or go home?

 

[Thurbane]

Do they come to your house every couple of days, stand on your front lawn and scream that what you like is crap, then call you thin-skinned when you tell them to either calm down or go home?

No, but I hardly think that is a fair (or accurate) analogy to what has happened here, at least in terms of someone using the term d20 Fantasy for their own personal reference rather than D&D...

 

[Thurbane]

That seems to be the only thing that will put this noise out of it's misery.

...actually, you make a good point. I think both sides have made their opinions on the matter abudantly clear, and no real purpose can be served by continuing on with it.

My only advice is to enjoy what you enjoy, and don't let others ruin your enjoyment of it.

 

[I'm A Banana]

I honestly cannot believe that a handful of people stating their own opinions that they don't recognise 3.X as D&D could cause so much offense. Are people honestly so thin skinned that they can't simply agree to disagree and move on?

Often, people seek to understand those who are different from them, to see what experiences could have lead them to a different way of viewing life.

And it's kind of hard to find that understanding when the people who are different claim they are different because they're "just different."

The opinion itself is kind of offensive in the first place, kind of like saying "People from Ohio aren't REAL AMERICANS!" Add to that the lack of a satisfying explanation for why people think that way, and it's easy to get frustrated.

 

[Plane Sailing]

I admit that I'm a little confused by the lines drawn here. I've seen more than a few mentions that if someone prefers D&D without the fluff from the core books, it's somehow not D&D anymore, but, rather, it's now d20 Fantasy.

Every time I've seen the expression used, it is from one person attempting to put down another person. That's all.

 

[Raven Crowking]

I have finally found the definitive difference between D&D and d20 Fantasy:

The Random Harlot Table

Exactly.

Why wasn't this included in Citryscape, if 3.5 is supposed to be D&D?!?

 

[dcas]

Then there has never been a D&D - none of them have ever had exponential experience point tables.

Sure they do -- up to about name level or thereabouts.

More to the point, that makes things like OD&D "not D&D", since it didn't have thieves, or class and level limits for demi-humans (since when they had demi-humans as playable characters, the race was the class).

The thief class was introduced in the Greyhawk supplement. And in OD&D dwarves and halflings were basically fighters, while elves could act as fighters or magic-users. There's class limits right there. There are level limits as well (for example, halflings are limited to 4th level).

If you're referring to B/X or BECMI D&D as "OD&D," there are still level limits and, since a character's race is his class, class limits as well. Elves can only be elves -- they can't be thieves or clerics.

The problem with most of the "definitions" of what "real D&D is" is that they amount to saying that many versions of D&D (other than 3e) are not properly D&D, which is silly.

Maybe you should crack open your old rule books. . . .

 

[dcas]

Do they come to your house every couple of days, stand on your front lawn and scream that what you like is crap, then call you thin-skinned when you tell them to either calm down or go home?

ENWorld is your front lawn?

 

[diaglo]

Of course D&D may mean to an oldtimer: (1) d6 hit dice for all classes, (2) no thieves, SNIP (4) only Law, Neutrality and Chaos as alignments.

preach on.

diaglo "no supplements" Ooi