When did I stop being WotC's target audience?

[Fifth Element]

People have come to see you as a biased source of information on all things WotC, with too much at stake to say anything negative, and indeed being glowingly positive about it in the face of any negative news because you’ve gone the route of 4e or poverty given you freelance for a living and I suppose you feel loyalty to WotC, or you just hope that being such an ardent supporter and pimp of 4e will send more work your way.

1. Wow.

2. Welcome to Enworld?

3. Please check the forum rules. I think the mods would frown upon this type of post.

 

[Herremann the Wise]

...snip...

How gutless!

Personally, I take Ari's comments on these boards with a grain of salt knowing he is 4e positive. However, to attack his credibility like you have by making an anonymous account and going to town is gutlessness in the absolute extreme.

Ari deserves more for his efforts than to cop that rubbish.

Best Regards (not)
Herremann the Wise

 

[thecasualoblivion]

Whether it’s a true claim or not is irrelevant at this point, because frankly it’s a public perception and reputation that you’ve garnered for yourself here and elsewhere. You’ve been a poster-child 4e fanboy at times, and you’ve lashed out pretty damn harshly against people who have the audacity to impugn 4e or suggest that it might not be the roaring success that you want and you need it to be. The initial sales were good, but beyond that only WotC knows for sure, and unless they’re sharing sales figures with you, you don’t know either. They’ve had a year of horrendous PR, the death of a major investment in Gleemax, and tons of people angry at them for reasons various and sundry regarding the marketing and substance of 4e. All that said, for good or for ill Ari, you’ve hitched your professional star to 4e for a year now. You have a very strongly vested stake in seeing 4e succeed and you’ve come out at times to angrily defend it against anyone that might push more bad PR about 4e in WotC’s direction.



People have come to see you as a biased source of information on all things WotC, with too much at stake to say anything negative, and indeed being glowingly positive about it in the face of any negative news because you’ve gone the route of 4e or poverty given you freelance for a living and I suppose you feel loyalty to WotC, or you just hope that being such an ardent supporter and pimp of 4e will send more work your way.

In Ari's defense, I submit this:

Working on WotC projects(Draconomicon I coming out next month for example), he speaks to people who would know how 4E is selling. If 4E was not meeting expectations(in terms of sales beyond the first wave), I don't see any reason why he would be saying that 4E was selling well. Accusing WotC and Ari of spreading misinformation speaks badly of you more than it does of them. Since Ari is interested in his paycheck, it isn't in Ari's interest to defend a sinking ship.

The fact is that Mouseferatu(Ari) is more in the know then you. Whatever his information may or may not be, we can be sure that you have less. Accusing him of deceit shows your bias more than it does his.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

Whether it’s a true claim or not is irrelevant at this point, because frankly it’s a public perception and reputation that you’ve garnered for yourself here and elsewhere. You’ve been a poster-child 4e fanboy at times, and you’ve lashed out pretty damn harshly against people who have the audacity to impugn 4e or suggest that it might not be the roaring success that you want and you need it to be. The initial sales were good, but beyond that only WotC knows for sure, and unless they’re sharing sales figures with you, you don’t know either. They’ve had a year of horrendous PR, the death of a major investment in Gleemax, and tons of people angry at them for reasons various and sundry regarding the marketing and substance of 4e. All that said, for good or for ill Ari, you’ve hitched your professional star to 4e for a year now. You have a very strongly vested stake in seeing 4e succeed and you’ve come out at times to angrily defend it against anyone that might push more bad PR about 4e in WotC’s direction.



People have come to see you as a biased source of information on all things WotC, with too much at stake to say anything negative, and indeed being glowingly positive about it in the face of any negative news because you’ve gone the route of 4e or poverty given you freelance for a living and I suppose you feel loyalty to WotC, or you just hope that being such an ardent supporter and pimp of 4e will send more work your way.

OUCH.

I wouldn't have put it that harshly but I kinda see things the same way. I think you've become kinda unreliable as an unbiased source when it comes to WOTC and 4E. Which is kinda sad because you were one of the few (only?) people that I held in any kind of regard on EN World. I mean I still listen to what you say when you post on the boards but now your opinion carries as much weight as anyone else who isnt a complete jerk. Which these days on this board is a real short list.

 

[Thasmodious]

Personally, I take Ari's comments on these boards with a grain of salt knowing he is 4e positive.

You say that like its equivalent to having AIDS. '4e positive'? Really? Enjoying the new edition automatically makes you unqualified to comment on the new edition? Or worthy of being taken with a "grain of salt"?

 

[thecasualoblivion]

So, because Mouseferatu is espousing an opinion you don't like and giving good news that you'd rather not believe he's being deceitful?

 

[Fifth Element]

I think this conversation should stop now. The mods will surely be stepping in to take care of it.

 

[Imaro]

So, because Mouseferatu is espousing an opinion you don't like and giving good news that you'd rather not believe he's being deceitful?

Uhm... I was going to stay out of this at first, but...isn't only talking about the positive of something and consciously choosing to be silent about the negatives... actually presenting a biased view? Just saying. If all I say are positive things about something without stating my negatives...and then admit that I do this, well it is presenting a purposefully biased facade of how I feel about something.

Anyway, I do think that above post was a little... harsh, though everyone is entitled to an opinion.

 

[Herremann the Wise]

You say that like its equivalent to having AIDS. '4e positive'? Really? Enjoying the new edition automatically makes you unqualified to comment on the new edition? Or worthy of being taken with a "grain of salt"?

I'm enjoying 4e at the moment myself by the way before you get your dander up trying to apply the specific to the general. Ari strikes me (correct me if I'm wrong), as the type of guy that will be positive about the positive things and leave the negative stuff for others to comment about. He seems an enthusiastic and positive kind of guy. At no stage did I say anything about aids, or that enjoying the new edition somehow meant you were unqualified to comment on it. They are your words sir and certainly not mine.

Best Regards
Herremann the Wise

 

[Fifth Element]

Uhm... I was going to stay out of this at first, but...isn't only talking about the positive of something and consciously choosing to be silent about the negatives... actually presenting a biased view? Just saying.

Not by itself, no. If you feel that all the important things are positive, then a completely positive review is not biased, it's honest. Mentioning small negative things just to maintain an appearance of impartiality is silly.

If you really think something is great, why would you say otherwise?