D&D 5E When lore and PC options collide…

[Laurefindel]

In a multi-setting game like D&D, i find it's the game's job to say "here are the things you can do with D&D" and the setting's job to say "here are the D&D things this setting focus on". There are a bunch of "if it exists in D&D you'll find it here" kind of settings already, each with different flavour. Thigh(er) focused settings are a welcomed thing as far as I'm concerned.

That being said I'm quite happy to re-fluff things. There might be no orc or half-orc but if all you want is the half-orc stats; chances are we'll find a good compromise.

 

[Velderan]

Voted lore, but ideally lore shouldn't be so overwhelmingly restrictive that players remaining options make it impossible to give your table some options to enjoy. As a couple of us have said in the past, I find it incredibly hard to accept removing PHB class/subclasses from a setting intended for 5E play because of the impact on player choice for gameplay mechanics. Races? Eh, with the changes made to ASIs I don't see them as being as difficult to work around a couple missing especially if we're not demanding every player lean into whatever trope the races were typically based on to begin with.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Yeah, but it isn't like they invited you.

There are literally BILLIONS of people on the planet with whom you will never play a game. There is no constructive use to prejudging them on whether you would want to.

literally the only use of my opinion or my judgment is "what I would put up with at the table"
we are all discussing our opinions, we are all judging based on what we want, and hoping that more people fall our ways then the other (so we can continue to find games)
can you please explain what OTHER use of my judgment I should be useing?

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Why does it matter how other DMs and players choose to play? There's really no wrong way to play other than playing with people you don't have fun with.

It only matters when it enters my circle... when my opinion and there opinion differ we discus it. I am constantly asked to defend what I say on here and I do my best (not always great) but I also expect that others will do the same.

edit: is this NOT a discussion of all of our opinions? about how WE want the game run at OUR tables (DM or Player)?

 

[hawkeyefan]

I don’t think the two options need to be as oppositional as presented. I think it generally depends on the specific circumstances.

But personally, when there’s a conflict between the two, I’m generally going to come down on the PC option side. My reasoning boils down to the game being a social event and I care more about my relationship with real people than with fictional lore.

 

[Velderan]

It only matters when it enters my circle... when my opinion and there opinion differ we discus it. I am constantly asked to defend what I say on here and I do my best (not always great) but I also expect that others will do the same.

edit: is this NOT a discussion of all of our opinions? about how WE want the game run at OUR tables (DM or Player)?

And that's fair if people are coming at you asking why your table has something they don't like. Maybe I misunderstood your intent, but to say "I therefore judge every player and DM by that standard" seems a bit overblown imo. Why care how other people enjoy playing games? Why care what WotC puts in a book when there's such a massive amount of 5E stuff out there you'd need to try hard not to find SOMETHING you like?

 

[Oofta]

In a multi-setting game like D&D, i find it's the game's job to say "here are the things you can do with D&D" and the setting's job to say "here are the D&D things this setting focus on". There are a bunch of "if it exists in D&D you'll find it here" kind of settings already, each with different flavour. Thigh(er) focused settings are a welcomed thing as far as I'm concerned.

That being said I'm quite happy to re-fluff things. There might be no orc or half-orc but if all you want is the half-orc stats; chances are we'll find a good compromise.

I do the same thing with re-fluffing as well. I'll have a goliath in my game soon, they're just a large human and it's rumored that one of their ancestors was a giant.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

And that's fair if people are coming at you asking why your table has something they don't like. Maybe I misunderstood your intent, but to say "I therefore judge every player and DM by that standard" seems a bit overblown imo.

99% of my gameing right now is online with a circle of friends that are all DMs and we are all (Mostly) on the same page. I used to run and play at cons and stores as well (I just not too long ago helped my neice and nephew start playing too). MY judgment comes when I get to the table.
I was just up thread asked "Are you allowed to restrict stuff" and my answer is yes... no one is stopping you. I even encourage it IF it has a reason... so then I was asked what if I don't agree with the reason... and that's when my judgemnt comes into play...

notice my judgment is AFTER the information about the game... and the judgment is pretty simple and bianary (mostly) do I want to spend my free time playing this?!?

Why care how other people enjoy playing games?

the only people I care about are (in this order)
1 The people I play with as both DM and player
2 The people at WotC who make the rules and shape the game
3 The people who put forward there own thoughts in a public squire for discussion, and I would assume saying "I don't like that" is part of that...

I have NEVER said anyone shouldn't do what they want at there games... I have said I WOULDN"T, and I DON"T WANT WOTC to SAY that is the defualt, and I don't like it... but somehow this argument comes up time and time again... I don't know where ANY of you play, I am not coming to your games and stealing your players (unless you are dave, in witch case I did do that in 2004 but half those people don't play with us any more)

Why care what WotC puts in a book when there's such a massive amount of 5E stuff out there you'd need to try hard not to find SOMETHING you like?

I mean I push for what I like and push against what I don't like... it seems odd during a playtest in between (not edition)s when they are listening the most is when people are the most against shareing our thoughts and opinions... on a thread about opinions.

 

[Micah Sweet]

99% of my gameing right now is online with a circle of friends that are all DMs and we are all (Mostly) on the same page. I used to run and play at cons and stores as well (I just not too long ago helped my neice and nephew start playing too). MY judgment comes when I get to the table.
I was just up thread asked "Are you allowed to restrict stuff" and my answer is yes... no one is stopping you. I even encourage it IF it has a reason... so then I was asked what if I don't agree with the reason... and that's when my judgemnt comes into play...

notice my judgment is AFTER the information about the game... and the judgment is pretty simple and bianary (mostly) do I want to spend my free time playing this?!?

the only people I care about are (in this order)
1 The people I play with as both DM and player
2 The people at WotC who make the rules and shape the game
3 The people who put forward there own thoughts in a public squire for discussion, and I would assume saying "I don't like that" is part of that...

I have NEVER said anyone shouldn't do what they want at there games... I have said I WOULDN"T, and I DON"T WANT WOTC to SAY that is the defualt, and I don't like it... but somehow this argument comes up time and time again... I don't know where ANY of you play, I am not coming to your games and stealing your players (unless you are dave, in witch case I did do that in 2004 but half those people don't play with us any more)

I mean I push for what I like and push against what I don't like... it seems odd during a playtest in between (not edition)s when they are listening the most is when people are the most against shareing our thoughts and opinions... on a thread about opinions.

A playtest between editions is when it matters the most, since that the time when they might actually change the game. Some people feel that every opinion that they disagree with cancels out one where they do agree.

 

[billd91]

literally the only use of my opinion or my judgment is "what I would put up with at the table"
we are all discussing our opinions, we are all judging based on what we want, and hoping that more people fall our ways then the other (so we can continue to find games)
can you please explain what OTHER use of my judgment I should be useing?

Sure, we're discussing opinions. But maybe you should consider how you're coming across to the rest of us with a statement like this:

I hold the right to JUDGE you and the table for making said restriction

That sounds awfully judgmental, which might be appropriate for certain types of people who are engaged in denying people their basic humanity in society at large... but may be a weeeeeee bit much for someone who prefers to keep orcs out of their Dragonlance campaign.
It seems to me there's a pretty big gulf between "I really like to play orcs and your campaign doesn't have them, so I'll say no thanks" and judging THEM like your statement implies.