Where is the Unearthed Arcana SRD?

[Saeviomagy]

But to use your analogy, they demand you to make the pie, not just the offered recipe and ingredients. IOW, your gift is not good enough, they want more for their convenience.

Well, no. What happened was someone said
"Where's that pie someone said they were baking?"

and then a whole heap of people said "It's impolite to bake pies, and how dare you even consider the possibility of doing so, let alone eating a baked pie!"

 

[Ranger REG]

Sticking with analogy...

Well, no. What happened was someone said
"Where's that pie someone said they were baking?"

You forgot the part where we say, "You already have the recipe. Do it yourself."

and then a whole heap of people said "It's impolite to bake pies, and how dare you even consider the possibility of doing so, let alone eating a baked pie!"

Ah, but before that, someone dared to ask, "Why offer the recipe when you can bake it for us in the first place?"

IOW, they -- whoever they are -- don't want to separate the OGC from said book. They want WotC to do it and repackage it for THEIR convenience.

So far, I have seen one maybe two in this thread who are doing it by themselves, and for that I give them props. Also note, this discussion have come up before, and that previous conversation have had posters collaborating on who will do which chapter of the Unearthed Arcana and submit to one editor who will compile them into an SRD format. I know not what became of that fan-brewed project.

 

[Saeviomagy]

Sticking with analogy...


You forgot the part where we say, "You already have the recipe. Do it yourself."



Ah, but before that, someone dared to ask, "Why offer the recipe when you can bake it for us in the first place?"

Actually, from reviewing the thread we get
Rulemaster: Where's that pie that someone said they were baking?
Shilsen: They didn't bake it, because an employee at the pie store said he'd prefer it if we didn't bake pies ourselves.
BardStephenFox: Some employee said he didn't like us baking pies as soon as we bought the pie mix, so cergorach is waiting, but yeah, that pie would be great
Buddha the DM: It looks like WoTC were baking a pie for us, but I can't find where it is.
BardStephenFox: No, that was a different pie I think
Buddah the DM: Oops
Ranger REG: Bake the pie yourself! Why do you expect other people to bake pies for you?
Various: I don't see why the pie shop would sell pie mix if they don't expect us to make pie...
BardStephenFox: I do bake my own pie. It would be easier if it was baked for me, and I'd appreciate it.
...
Ranger REG: You're spoiled. How dare you prefer it when someone else bakes your pies for you! You think everything should be done for you, don't you! Finished pies are just for bakers - normal people should be satisfied with pie mix. It's just like meatloaf!
Erratic K: Actually the grocery stores don't have a problem with people selling ready-made meatloaves. Meatloaves are for everyone. The bakery thing is just like that - pie is for everyone, and there's no problem with people baking it for you. Pre-baked goods are good for the community at large.
Halivar: Hey - if I sold pie for a minimal fee, you mean it would be fine for me to buy pie?
Crothian: What part of the recipe says that pies should be baked and given to other people?
Ranger REG: I think people are spoiled because bakers delight sells pies. It's just like playstations
Henry: No it's not, it's like pie.
Ranger REG: Yeah, you've got the pie mix, bake it yourself.
Me: Noone said you couldn't, they just said that it would be nice to have a pie that someone else baked, then everyone went nuts about how pies were unethical.
Ranger REG: Ahh, but first someone said that they expected to get pie, not pie mix.
Me: Actually, from reviewing the thread we get

Rulemaster: Where's that pie that someone said they were baking?
Shilsen: They did...

 

[Ranger REG]

Actually, from reviewing the thread we get
Rulemaster: Where's that cake that someone said they were baking?

They're not baking that cake from that cookbook they're selling. You'll have to bake it yourself.

 

[Saeviomagy]

They're not baking that cake from that cookbook they're selling. You'll have to bake it yourself.

Well actually I think cergorach is in the process of baking the pie for us. I suppose there are some things I'd like the pie for, and if someone gives me pie, I'm not going to say no. But I'm not going to kick up a stink if it doesn't happen. Mainly I like the recipe, because I can take the recipe with me wherever I go and I like some of the pictures of the pie.

I don't get where you think I'm complaining about no pie from though.

 

[Felon]

Enough with the $%@*& analogy-twisting already. It's turning into the theatre of the absurd around here.

 

[Erratic K]

Nice summary Saeviomagy!

One pie and one meatloaf for me thanks...

-E

 

[Aristotle]

...step two would be combining rules to make a new rulesset. I intend to make a rulesset with the basic SRD and using the "Vitality and Wound Points", "Defense Bonus", and "Armor as Damage Reduction" rules from UA. I also intend to extend the SRD with rules to make it fully playable (character creation rules, xp awards, etc.). Maybe even commision some art pieces. In return i hope that people will be willing to donate money and i'll actually be able to commision work, i'm just not in this for the money.

I was in the middle of writing a reply to this at work when I got called out into the parking lot to be told that my parked car (that I purchased on Sunday) was hit while I was working... I'm having a lovely day. Now...

The product your talking about sounds great. An integration of the UA material into the SRD (with additional rule variations and additions), sounds like a cool product. Heck, if it was done properly and priced decently I'd almost definately buy the PDF (though I'd honestly prefer to purchase such a thing outright at RPGNOW rather than donate money through a personal website).

But, to me, the product you are talking about is more valid than just releasing UA material whole cloth for free. It would be a work containing elements gleaned from the OGC in UA and integrated into other content (most of which is also OGC, but some of which would likely be original). It would be feel, to me, more like your finished work instead of you giving away someone else's work for free.

As was said before... it comes down to ethics, and people rarely agree in that realm. What your doing is legal so I'm not about to critisize you for it. It's just not for me.

 

[takyris]

Anyone who appreciates the irony of somebody named Aristotle talking about the subjectivity of ethics, please raise your Liberal Arts Degree.

 

[Cergorach]

They're not baking that cake from that cookbook they're selling. You'll have to bake it yourself.

I actually said that i would be baking this cake, i also said that it would be ready to eat a lot sooner then now. But due to other projects being pushed back that i wanted to finish before releasing this cake for public consumption. I'm still not finished with the 'other' projects, but due to further delays on these projects i thought i should start releasing this cake piece by piece.

But, to me, the product you are talking about is more valid than just releasing UA material whole cloth for free. It would be a work containing elements gleaned from the OGC in UA and integrated into other content (most of which is also OGC, but some of which would likely be original). It would be feel, to me, more like your finished work instead of you giving away someone else's work for free.

These OGC compilations of individual products are nothing more then reference documents. Making them available for everyone to view, edit, review for errors, and improve upon. I'm used to the Open Source community where reusing/modifying source code is the norm. For 95% of all the OS projects the source code is digitally available, i want the same situation for OGC. Is it ethical? I think so, but to be honest, i don't really care whether others think i'm ethical or not. I'm pretty sure others will be happy enough to be able to access the OGC content from UA.