Which d20 witch is...
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Psion
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The core sorcerer
I think of witch mostly as a title. To me, witches are simply spellcasters that have little in the way of formal training, which the sorcerer fits pretty well.
The "Magic" witch is okay, but more or less is a showcase of Magic's spontaneous casting and spell point systems. Which is not a bad thing in and of itself, as those systems are fairly decent, but if you don't like those systems, you will have problems.
I just got the Witch's Handbook last night. Let you know how it goes on further observation.
I think of witch mostly as a title. To me, witches are simply spellcasters that have little in the way of formal training, which the sorcerer fits pretty well.
The "Magic" witch is okay, but more or less is a showcase of Magic's spontaneous casting and spell point systems. Which is not a bad thing in and of itself, as those systems are fairly decent, but if you don't like those systems, you will have problems.
I just got the Witch's Handbook last night. Let you know how it goes on further observation.
Psion
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Re: witches
Yer smokin'.
Tell me what in the Splatbooks is more abusive that (for example) the undispellable powerful effects of some hymns? Or some of the Q classes that give extra abilities to a class with no drawbacks.
Sorry, some Q books are better that splatbooks in content (most notably Rogue, Monk, and Wizard), but the balance is more off in general in the Q books.
Sanackranib said:
Yer smokin'.
Tell me what in the Splatbooks is more abusive that (for example) the undispellable powerful effects of some hymns? Or some of the Q classes that give extra abilities to a class with no drawbacks.
Sorry, some Q books are better that splatbooks in content (most notably Rogue, Monk, and Wizard), but the balance is more off in general in the Q books.
Has anyone read the "Dealing with Dragons" series? Specifically the last one in the series? (Can't recall the name, I think it was Searching for Dragons).
Anyway, they made reference and introduced characters called fire witches. They were immune to most magic, as well as fire, could call fire, and could learn most magic. The trick was you were either born a fire witch or not, there was no way to learn to be one. Could be an interesting (and frustrating) BBEG or other NPC.
Anyway, they made reference and introduced characters called fire witches. They were immune to most magic, as well as fire, could call fire, and could learn most magic. The trick was you were either born a fire witch or not, there was no way to learn to be one. Could be an interesting (and frustrating) BBEG or other NPC.
Sanackranib
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Re: Re: witches
Have you even READ the Prc and feats in the sword & fist or masters of the wild? and don't forget some of the barbarian feats
like Dragon's toughness come un an extra 12hp - get real!
I don't use any monk classes in my game. its an eastern philosophy that IMHO has no place in "western" games. I do agree that the Q.rogue book is probably the best in the series but I also like the fighting styles presentated in the Q.figther. I liked the new weapons and feats especially in the Q. witch. I don't have and haven't seen green ronins to compair it.
Psion said:
Yer smokin'.
Tell me what in the Splatbooks is more abusive that (for example) the undispellable powerful effects of some hymns? Or some of the Q classes that give extra abilities to a class with no drawbacks.
Sorry, some Q books are better that splatbooks in content (most notably Rogue, Monk, and Wizard), but the balance is more off in general in the Q books.
Have you even READ the Prc and feats in the sword & fist or masters of the wild? and don't forget some of the barbarian feats
like Dragon's toughness come un an extra 12hp - get real!
I don't use any monk classes in my game. its an eastern philosophy that IMHO has no place in "western" games. I do agree that the Q.rogue book is probably the best in the series but I also like the fighting styles presentated in the Q.figther. I liked the new weapons and feats especially in the Q. witch. I don't have and haven't seen green ronins to compair it.
Psion
Adventurer
Re: Re: Re: witches
Is this a trick question? Do you have any idea who I am? I suspect this means you are new here, so let me get you up to speed. Visit the ENWorld reviews page, then consider your question again.
The fact that you think that is unbalanced is reason enough to wonder about your judgement when it comes to deciding what is balanced.
That's a whole different topic, but one in which I also disagree with you. "Wester" or "eastern" may have no meaning in a fantasy world.
You knock dragon's toughness for being unbalanced and then you praise fighting styles that give you potent feat-like abilities for free? Your honor, the defense rests.
Sanackranib said:
Is this a trick question? Do you have any idea who I am? I suspect this means you are new here, so let me get you up to speed. Visit the ENWorld reviews page, then consider your question again.
The fact that you think that is unbalanced is reason enough to wonder about your judgement when it comes to deciding what is balanced.
That's a whole different topic, but one in which I also disagree with you. "Wester" or "eastern" may have no meaning in a fantasy world.
You knock dragon's toughness for being unbalanced and then you praise fighting styles that give you potent feat-like abilities for free? Your honor, the defense rests.
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Sanackranib
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who you are . . .
You know the old saying opinions are like . . .
It really doesn't matter who either of us are, only that we each have opinions and that each is just as valid/misguided as anybody elses. IMHO there are a lot of very powerfull unbalanced feats and PrC's in the splat books. having said that, there are problems with the quentissintial books, and I suspect with green rownin as well (though I admit I haven't seen their stuff yet). case and point: toughness from the PHB +3 hp. perhaps on the weak side for a feat, but for some classes it's a big boost, one that stacks and can be taken over and over again. Now enter dwarves tougness +6hp, giants toughness +9hp and dragon's toughness +12hp. IMO it's getting obserd, why not go all the way and add Deitys toughness +20 hp and go ahead and give yourself max hp at the same time. that's the direction it's headed and I don't like it. But, that's just MY opinion.
Now lets look at the monk- EVERY save is favored. at high level they have spell resistance, poison imuneity etc. sure they cant wear armor or use many weapons but this is further offset by adding DEX to WIS for AC adjustment, and fists & feet that can go up to d20 for damage, lets not forget the leap of the clouds and inhanced movement - sound broken yet. If you want to run an eastern campaign then monk have their place. I just feel that they are "misplaced" in the west.
Now I have not attacked you personally or questioned your "judgement" obviously we have differn't opinions and styles of play. And you obviously don't know who I am either. So let me tell you, I have been playing or running this game for 23 years now, so I think I have a pretty good idea of how to play and run this game. I started off with basic D&D and have player every version, class, and race in the core rules and quite a few that are not. So, I really don't care who you are, just as I'm sure that you don't care who I am. I would "advise" you to question all the opinions that you like, in fact I encourage it. There is nothing quite so satisfying as a healthy debate. But, keep your questions on others "judgement" to yourself.
You know the old saying opinions are like . . .
It really doesn't matter who either of us are, only that we each have opinions and that each is just as valid/misguided as anybody elses. IMHO there are a lot of very powerfull unbalanced feats and PrC's in the splat books. having said that, there are problems with the quentissintial books, and I suspect with green rownin as well (though I admit I haven't seen their stuff yet). case and point: toughness from the PHB +3 hp. perhaps on the weak side for a feat, but for some classes it's a big boost, one that stacks and can be taken over and over again. Now enter dwarves tougness +6hp, giants toughness +9hp and dragon's toughness +12hp. IMO it's getting obserd, why not go all the way and add Deitys toughness +20 hp and go ahead and give yourself max hp at the same time. that's the direction it's headed and I don't like it. But, that's just MY opinion.
Now lets look at the monk- EVERY save is favored. at high level they have spell resistance, poison imuneity etc. sure they cant wear armor or use many weapons but this is further offset by adding DEX to WIS for AC adjustment, and fists & feet that can go up to d20 for damage, lets not forget the leap of the clouds and inhanced movement - sound broken yet. If you want to run an eastern campaign then monk have their place. I just feel that they are "misplaced" in the west.
Now I have not attacked you personally or questioned your "judgement" obviously we have differn't opinions and styles of play. And you obviously don't know who I am either. So let me tell you, I have been playing or running this game for 23 years now, so I think I have a pretty good idea of how to play and run this game. I started off with basic D&D and have player every version, class, and race in the core rules and quite a few that are not. So, I really don't care who you are, just as I'm sure that you don't care who I am. I would "advise" you to question all the opinions that you like, in fact I encourage it. There is nothing quite so satisfying as a healthy debate. But, keep your questions on others "judgement" to yourself.
I'm A Banana
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This should probably read: "I have been playing or running my version of this game for 23 years now, so I think I have a pretty good idea of how to play and run my game"
No offense to anyone, but there's only one *right* way to play "this game"...the one that results in you and your friends having fun. Beyond that, it's all optional.
Sanackranib
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this game
You are correct. Let us never loose sight of THAT goal.
Kamikaze Midget said:
You are correct. Let us never loose sight of THAT goal.
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