D&D 4E Which old setting would you like to see revamped for 4E?

Which setting would you MOST like to see updated in 4E?

  • Al-Qadim

    Votes: 19 7.6%
  • Birthright

    Votes: 16 6.4%
  • Blackmoor

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Council of Wyrms

    Votes: 5 2.0%
  • Dark Sun

    Votes: 59 23.7%
  • Dragonlance

    Votes: 10 4.0%
  • Greyhawk

    Votes: 30 12.0%
  • Kara-Tur (Oriental Adventures)

    Votes: 8 3.2%
  • Maztica

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Mystara

    Votes: 24 9.6%
  • Planescape

    Votes: 34 13.7%
  • Ravenloft

    Votes: 16 6.4%
  • Spelljammer

    Votes: 24 9.6%

Birthright! Noble scions with the bloodlines of gods fighting off evil misshapen monsters who want to steal their divine power, all the while having to deal with the trials and tribulations of managing a kingdom/church/guild/or what have you. Awesome.

Dark Sun would be a close second for me though.
 

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The Ubbergeek said:
The Mysterious Cities of Gold shown me how awesome Maztica can be.

Yeah, I have that, isn't that then one with the Poscadar elves (Native American-type elves)?

Maztica was just lacking the fantastical and magical, it really did seem like a direct rip from real world history with a slight layer of fantasy poured over it.

That was also a slight problem with Kara-Tur, even though I totally love that campaign setting.

Al-Qadim got just the right mix, IMO.
 

I like the Council of Wyrms setting as something that you can fit into just about any campaign world. Now everyone doesn't like dragons and some people think they're over used, me being among them, but I still hold out that you can do a lot more with the dragon as a creature than what has ever been done with them in various monster books/ Campaign settings. Aside from that I happen to like the fluff behind the place.
 

Steely Dan said:
Maztica was just lacking the fantastical and magical, it really did seem like a direct rip from real world history with a slight layer of fantasy poured over it.

That was also a slight problem with Kara-Tur, even though I totally love that campaign setting.

Al-Qadim got just the right mix, IMO.

QFT, I must say. That's exactly how I feel, about all three of those settings. Something like the FR's Sword Coast is so much more distant from "Europe with a slight layer of fantasy" than things like Kara-Tur and Maztica - this is why they seem particularly ill-fitting to me, I suspect.

As for the Elves, yes, sadly. God, whoever thought it was clever or original to make a direct Native American rip-off culture and then make them Elves should be hit with a frying pan. At least Anochorome is even more forgotten than bloody Maztica.
 


Even Maztica Fans Laugh

I know I am in the minority (I think even Maztica fans look down on us) but, I loved Maske of the Red Death. It was still D&D, with worse magic options than the Shai-ir, but you had Guns and Gaslight. I know that you could probably do it with D20 Modern, but those rules leave me cold in a very undecribable way. I just like the thought of Call of Cathulhu where you were not doomed to insanity.
 


WyzardWhately said:
Or maybe they should take a bunch of the 'good bits' that come from other settings, and put them all in the same sphere. I'm seeing all this support for Al-Quadim, Maztica, Karameikos, Kara-Tur, etc. Most of these things seem to be mythologized versions of real-world ancient cultures. You take all of these, remove them from FR or wherever, and stick them on a single world. I think that'd be pretty nifty, although it'd need rules for extensive travel and so forth to make it work in a way that *I* like. You know, put out some good hooks for long-term sea voyages or trading caravans, that kind of thing. Make each "region" a compelling enough space that you could run entire campaigns without ever leaving the home area, or really interacting with the others, if you wanted to.

I suppose you'd really have to publish them as separate books for this to work well (otherwise people would feel uneasy about using only 1/6th or whatever of the book they bought, and there wouldn't be enough room for detail) but overall I think it'd be pretty sweet.
But I don't think that gives the individual settings their due. Al Qadim isn't just a region, it's a world. If there's a Europe Analogue or Asia analogue or America analogue attached to it, those Analogues should be structured in such a way that they reinforce, rather than detreact from, the setting and theme of Al Qadim.

As an example: Take Maztica (I've got no experience with it, but I hear it's pretty bland). In Maztica, you've got the European guys crossing the ocean, finding the Native American guys, and conflict ensues, just like in real life.

In reality, Columbus crosses the ocean to find India and instead finds the Caribbean. But in fantasy, he should actually find India, or to be more specific, the exotic land of riches that he though India was like. Or he could find monsters, or sail of the edge of the world, or discover the lost land of Hy Brasil.

In reality, Cortez conquered the Aztecs through force of arms, and by pretending that he was the god Quetzalcoatl. But In fantasy, what if Quetzalcoatl really did come back? What if he came as a proud and greedy god, casting thunder about while demanding tribute. What if he's found the Aztec people lacking in faith and purity, and has created a new race of creatures to supplant them and worship him in their stead?

A europe attached to Al Qadim should be rooted in what the Arabians believed about Europe, not in what Europe actually was or what Europe believed about itself. The Far-off Orient of a Medieval European world should be very different that a setting inspired by the myths of Asian cultures.
 

I voted for Dark Sun, just because I think it fits best into the authorial conceits for 4e. I wouldn't trust them to do either Greyhawk or Planescape because I think the designers of 4e have already made it clear how they pretty much feel about both, and I think they'd crater both settings the way they did Forgotten Realms.
 

There are some settings here I am not familiar with, but that being said...

I went w/ Dark Sun. I'd like to see Al-Quadim as well, but I am more familiar with Dark Sun, plus it has Psionics which is favorite of mine.
 

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