White Wolf vs. Mongoose

Joshua Dyal said:
Yeah, I like the Scarred Lands gods -- I think that's one of the setting's strong points. They're still not as cool as the Book of the Righteous gods, though. Lately, I've been seriously thinking about using the Armies of the Abyss "gods." ;)
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Well at least I can say they don't foul up as much as some other gods in various settings. But I will agree the ones you mention are quite good. :)
 

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Nightfall said:
I still don't see how you can say the gods are bland. I mean come on! Vangal wiped the floor with most of the Titans, Chardun ripped his own mom's CHEST open, Corean fought and forges his sword into Golthagga. Chern created the best damn rift between elves and dwarves (okay dark elves but still!), I don't see it maybe.
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No, no. The gods are cliche. It's the monsters that are bland.


CC Revised also will be better since now you can template HAGS, along with Unhallowed. Believe it's much better than the first one.
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See, this doesn't do much for me because I don't like the monsters to begin with. The only one that I can even remember thinking "that's kind of neat" when reading was the Bottle Imp. And that was only because it was similar to something I was already using in my campaign...

Overall, I found myself shaking my head in disappointment (when things started off well, but then just kind of lost my interest) and disbelief (when things were so amazingly uninteresting to me) when reading both the Creature Collection and Creature Collection II, that out of all of the products mentioned, I am least likely to pick up anything that says "Scarred Lands" on it.
 

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Maybe, after I look at them, I'll also pick up Termana and Ultimate Divine Spells. Or maybe not.

Nothing else on that list really interests me. I wonder what Kenzer and Atlas have coming out in the same period? They usually get most of my money, but I also tend to buy Necromancer Games' modules.
 

I enjoy Kenzer, Atlas and AEG products as well mind you but if you put all three of them together, I don't think you'd get the velocity that Mongoose and White Wolf have.
 

Maraxle said:
No, no. The gods are cliche. It's the monsters that are bland.
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I find that VERY hard to believe...obviously you've not really read a lot about the gods. They certainly out do most other gods save the aforementioned Book of the Righteous and demon Princes.

Maraxle said:
See, this doesn't do much for me because I don't like the monsters to begin with. The only one that I can even remember thinking "that's kind of neat" when reading was the Bottle Imp. And that was only because it was similar to something I was already using in my campaign...

Overall, I found myself shaking my head in disappointment (when things started off well, but then just kind of lost my interest) and disbelief (when things were so amazingly uninteresting to me) when reading both the Creature Collection and Creature Collection II, that out of all of the products mentioned, I am least likely to pick up anything that says "Scarred Lands" on it.
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I find this incredible hard to believe... I mean look at something like CROWN naga (nagas you can use to shoot as arrows for crying out loud) Slacerian Dragons! Hell Slacerian ANYTHING! These are some of the most interesting monsters on the planet. Far out doing (and obviously I'm a little biased but don't think I'm wrong here), monsters from most other settings. Other than Tome of Horrors or perhaps Liber Beastarius, I really DON'T see any of the MM monsters or even Fiend Folio monsters being more innvovative or interesting. Thulkans, Steel Giants, Ferals (especially ferals!), Blade Demons, Blood Horror Demons, Grisley Minstrel Daemons, I'm almost at a loss as to how you can find any of these bland.
 
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I will probably get:
CREATURE COLLECTION REVISED 8302 JUL $29.95
PLAYER’S GUIDE TO WIZARDS, BARDS AND SORCERERS JUL $23.95
PLAYER’S GUIDE TO FIGHTERS AND BARBARIANS JUL $23.95
PLAYER’S GUIDE TO CLERICS AND DRUIDS AUG $23.95
PLAYER’S GUIDE TO RANGERS AND ROGUES AUG $23.95
PLAYER’S GUIDE TO MONKS AND PALADINS SEP $23.95
SCARRED LANDS CAMPAIGN SETTING: TERMANA SEP $29.95
RAVENLOFT DUNGEON MASTER’S GUIDE JUL $34.95
A LAMENTATION OF THIEVES SEP $18.95
DUNGEONS & DRAGONS WARCRAFT RPG JUL $34.95
WARCRAFT: MANUAL OF MONSTERS SEP $29.95August 2003
The Quintessential Ranger
The Slayer's Guide to Giants
The Book of Strongholds & Dynasties
Encyclopaedia Arcane: Tomes & Libraries
The Quintessential Halfling
The Slayer's Guide to Demons
Book of Dragons
Encyclopaedia Arcane: Components and Foci
The Quintessential Half-Orc

I will not get**:
TEMPLE OF SOLUSEK RO EVERQUEST AUG $12.95
Signs & Portents - 12 Month Subscription
Signs & Portents - Issue 2
Ultimate Divine Spells
D20 Cyberpunk
The Minbari Federation Fact Book
Macho Women with Guns
The Earth Alliance Fact Book
Ultimate Prestige Classes II
The Coming of Shadows

I don't know about:
AL’KABOR’S ARCANA JUL $29.95
ANGER OF ANGELS SEP $21.95
MONTE COOK’S ARCANA UNEARTHED AUG $29.95
ARCANA UNEARTHED: SCREEN & PLAYER’S GUIDE SEP $15.95
RAVENLOFT TAROKKA DECK AUG $21.95
The High Frontier
Armoured Companies


It will probably take me a while to get all of these though...$500 is a lot on just two companies!

Kenzer is coming out with some cool stuff, and there's also the Necromancer stuff released through the troll lords. Then there's Bastion's stuff, and, oh yeah, WotC. :)


**Unless I win the lottery. :)
 
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Well. Come on. It's like, no contest. A wolf, of any color, would kick a mongoose's butt.

*read thread*

Oh. Err. No comment.
 


Nightfall said:


I find that VERY hard to believe...obviously you've not really read a lot about the gods. They certainly out do most other gods save the aforementioned Book of the Righteous and demon Princes.
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Of course I haven't read a lot about them. There was absolutely nothing about them that caught my eye in the one book that I have that had info in them. After the very good reviews about Creature Collection II, I gave the setting a second chance, and yet again it did not meet my personal expectations. I am glad that you enjoy it, though. It's just not my thing, and I'm not going to waste more money giving it a third chance.


I find this incredible hard to believe... I mean look at something like CROWN naga (nagas you can use to shoot as arrows for crying out loud) Slacerian Dragons! Hell Slacerian ANYTHING! These are some of the most interesting monsters on the planet. Far out doing (and obviously I'm a little biased but don't think I'm wrong here), monsters from most other settings. Other than Tome of Horrors or perhaps Liber Beastarius, I really DON'T see any of the MM monsters or even Fiend Folio monsters being more innvovative or interesting. Thulkans, Steel Giants, Ferals (especially ferals!), Blade Demons, Blood Horror Demons, Grisley Minstrel Daemons, I'm almost at a loss as to how you can find any of these bland.
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I forgot to mention "silly" in my other post. When reading the books, I was overcome with the sense of silliness that I get when I watch a low budget horror movie. Some of the names alone are enough to make me giggle. Ferals? Blood Horror Demons? Grisley Minstrel Daemons? Please. That B-movie stuff just doesn't fit in with the tone of my campaign world, nor does it interest me.

Anyway, before I unintentionally slip further into "bash" mode, I'm going to end this post. I don't want to insult a fellow gamer's campaign setting because if a fellow gamer enjoys it, that's all that counts.
 


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