Who plays Invis-Mirror Image this way?

[darthkilmor]

No. The Mirror Image spell states that it has no effect. It is not invisible images, it is non-existent images until the caster reappears.

An attacker must be able to see the images to be fooled. If you are invisible or an attacker shuts his or her eyes, the spell has no effect. (Being unable to see carries the same penalties as being blinded.)

So if the attacker shuts their eyes, are the images non-existent and disappear, or do they have no effect on the attacker? "Hey you in the back, close your eyes so this guys' spell stops working!"
If the attacker has See Invisibilty, are you effectively invisible to them or not? I would argue Mirror Image would work just the same between an invisible caster and can-see-invisiblity attacker as under normal conditions.

 

[darthkilmor]

They aren't actually there, so they are unaffacted. They only change appearance if the caster himself does.

Mirror Image says images seem to react to area spells, which glitterdust is.
Would not any cleverly-shaped area effect spell be a valid way to discern which is a figment and which is real?

 

[Caliban]

Mirror Image says images seem to react to area spells, which glitterdust is.
Would not any cleverly-shaped area effect spell be a valid way to discern which is a figment and which is real?

Like I said earlier, we have all the images sharing the square with the caster, so this question never comes up. You can't hit the images without hitting the caster.

It just prevents a lot of complicated and time consuming questions that can come up during play if the images wander around the area randomly.

But assuming that you do have free range images, I would say that they only show the effects of an area spell if the spell also hits the caster.

 

[IanB]

I can't fault the faq for the 'all in one square' thing, the spell is much too complex otherwise, and it doesn't really provide adequate rules for what the heck to do with the images if you don't do it that way.

 

[Nail]

I can't fault the faq for the 'all in one square' thing, the spell is much too complex otherwise, and it doesn't really provide adequate rules for what the heck to do with the images if you don't do it that way.

Right.

FWIW, my friends and I always house rule the spell so that all images share the caster's space. It's just simpler.

That said, it does mean that if there is more than one image, it might be better to just "shut your eyes" and have the 50% miss chance. Might be. Usually everyone is taking pot-shots, so everyone appreciates having the images "popped", so.....

 

[werk]

Originally Posted by SRD definition of Mirror Image
An attacker must be able to see the images to be fooled. If you are invisible or an attacker shuts his or her eyes, the spell has no effect. (Being unable to see carries the same penalties as being blinded.)

So doesn't that make the module wrong?

 

[Hypersmurf]

So doesn't that make the module wrong?

Oh, undoubtedly.

-Hyp.

 

[Fieari]

The module could be using a variant spell... exactly like Mirror Image, except that the images remain visible when you go invisible...

And then didn't bother specifying that the spell was changed...

And didn't increase the spell level to balance it out given the vastly enhanced utility...

...

Yeah, I don't buy it either. The module looks wrong to me.

 

[darthkilmor]

So doesn't that make the module wrong?

Would the encounter be significantly easier if ran correctly, or is there some particular hook like "once all the images are gone, bad guy X flees unseen" ?