Why all the Fuss over the One Ring?

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

So, our alternate take on the Story of LotR is that we travel back in time to push Isuldar in the vulcan...

So far, so good. What would change it - the only person with the abilities to travel in time would be Sauron (but for some unknown reason he does not dare it), and the time machine lies near one of the greatest vulcans - so the Fellowship had to go there anyway

Mustrum Ridcully

 

[Lurks-no-More]

Actually Lurks-N0-More, that is wrong. In the meeting at Rivendale, before the Fellowship is founded Elrond talks about the fall of Sauron, and the end of the battle when Isildur claims the ring as 'weirguild' (SP) for his flamily, and claims it as an heirloom. Elrond strongly tells him that the ring needed to be cast into Mt. Doom. But by that time Isildur was already under the power of the ring, and it was too precious to throw away!

Yes. Reading my post again shows that I was not putting in text what I was thinking about; ie. that the scene w. Isildur and Elrond standing over the fire was not the same as in the book, where the final fight against Sauron and the subsequent conversation between Elrond and Isildur take place on the lower slopes of Mt. Doom.

 

[Robbert Raets]

The movie was also missing Cirdan![/whine]

Seriously, the Elves (through master-smith Celebrimbor) knew that Sauron's only purpose in forging the One Ring was domination (mainly of the other ring-bearers). Thus, Elrond, who, unlike his brother Elros, chose the Eldar's path of immortality, knew that the Ring was Definately Bad News, and was thus forced to conclude that Isildur should destroy it. Furthermore, if the Elves (Noldor, IIRC) had Ringcraft they most likely knew that a Ring of Power needed to be destroyed in the fire that forged it (or a hotter one).

Does that make sense?

 

[Salthanas]

Greetings all

I think its quite possible that the Elves at the time of Saurons first defeat were probably not aware destroying the Ring would permanently cripple him, otherwise Isildur would probably have thrown the Ring into Mount Doom. They certainly might have suspected that he would eventually reform given that he escaped the destruction of Numenor that way and reappeared in only a short space of time. At a guess I'd say the Istari were briefed on this before they departed Valinor which is why Gandalf knows that Sauron used a vast amount of his own strength to create the Ring. As Sauron forged the ring in secret its hard to imagine how this information could have ended up in the hands of the wise or anybody else for that matter in the third age.

yours Salthanas

 

[myrdden]

So, our alternate take on the Story of LotR is that we travel back in time to push Isuldar in the vulcan...

Although they both have pointed ears, Elrond was most definitely an elf and not a vulcan. The lines between science fiction and fantasy are blurring...

What would change it - the only person with the abilities to travel in time would be Sauron (but for some unknown reason he does not dare it), and the time machine lies near one of the greatest vulcans - so the Fellowship had to go there anyway

I believe that there was a statement in one of the Tolkien books (LotR or the Silmarillion or other) that basically stated that "what was done could not be undone". I interprteted this to mean one could not go back and undo events that had already taken place. Even the Valar couldn't do this.

Myrdden