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D&D General why brass and bronze dragons?

why do the metallic dragons have alloys amongst them is seems super odd as you think dragons would only be from pure metals?

am I just be odd or what?

also, what's with the lack of the other colours for chromatics?

and do not get me started on how odd the gem dragons are.
 

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Think of it from an in-narrative perspective.

The Metallic Dragons are just animals like the rest of us that happen to have shiny scales that are yellow, white, brown, rusty red...

And someone went "Let's name them after Metals of similar color!" and got Gold/Silver/Copper right away from the coins in their pocket.

And then were like "Uhhh...? What're some other metals, guys?" and someone in the back yelled "Tin!" and everyone was like "Piss off, Andrew, they're not Tin-Colored!"

And someone else piped up "Red-Gold!" and got smacked in the back of the head for trying to cross the Evil and Good dragons. But someone went "Wait a sec He's right! It's got reddish tints under a gold kind of thing... Brass?"

And everyone shrugged and went "Yeah, okay."

Once -that- was on the table, Bronze was -super- easy!
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
None of those categories are definitive. The chromatics got the yellow, orange, and purple dragons in Dragon #65 for AD&D 1E, and then Dragon #248 updated them for 2E.

The ferrous dragons (chromium, cobalt, iron, nickel, and tungsten) premiered in Dragon #170 for 2E, and then in Dragon #356 for 3.5E.

The gem dragons used to have obsidian dragons among their numbers, before their god Sardior effectively exiled them all.

And there are plenty more where those come from. Mystara has its own collection of (non-psionic) gem dragons, for instance, in the Monster Compendium - Mystara Appendix for 2E, and there are brown dragons in FR10 Old Empires for 2E and in Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerûn for 3E.

The whole "three groupings of five" is an oversimplification, probably made up by human sages who don't know any better. Heck, even the stats for Tiamat's avatar in Powers & Pantheons for 2E notes that her five heads can be any combination of chromatic dragons, and lists how her stats would vary if she had a yellow and/or brown head replacing some of the usual colors.

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Lycurgon

Explorer
The reason is because those are the colours and metals that Gygax chose when creating them. Originally he created the 5 evil (at the time, chaotic) dragons and the gold. He later added the 4 other metallics to balance the evil dragons.

In game - because the Dragon Gods created them that way.

It is odd that they would be created that way before there were humans or other races to create such alloys.

I guess it is mostly because they are more interesting colours than other metals and they are important metals to early humans.

Personally I think Bronze and Brass are too similar and Iron would have been a better choice than Brass.

I am also kind of surprised Gygax didn't use Electrum since he used them for coins.

There have been numerous attempts to add new colours and metals to the roster of D&D dragons but none have gained much popularity and stuck.
 

not-so-newguy

Adventurer
Just pulling this out of nowhere, but perhaps the alloy dragons are from latter evolutionary species. Perhaps more involved in the affairs of the "younger" species like elves, dwarves and humans. 🤷
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
None of those categories are definitive. The chromatics got the yellow, orange, and purple dragons in Dragon #65 for AD&D 1E, and then Dragon #248 updated them for 2E.

The ferrous dragons (chromium, cobalt, iron, nickel, and tungsten) premiered in Dragon #170 for 2E, and then in Dragon #256 for 3.5E.

The gem dragons used to have obsidian dragons among their numbers, before their god Sardior effectively exiled them all.

And there are plenty more where those come from. Mystara has its own collection of (non-psionic) gem dragons, for instance, in the Monster Compendium - Mystara Appendix for 2E, and there are brown dragons in FR10 Old Empires for 2E and in Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerûn for 3E.

The whole "three groupings of five" is an oversimplification, probably made up by human sages who don't know any better. Heck, even the stats for Tiamat's avatar in Powers & Pantheons for 2E notes that her five heads can be any combination of chromatic dragons, and lists how her stats would vary if she had a yellow and/or brown head replacing some of the usual colors.

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And of course Steel/Waterdeep dragons.
 

And of course Steel/Waterdeep dragons.
Who are the most annoying to find anything on

Y'know I made some of the lesser-known Chromatics and Metallics for NWN and it was an absolute chore to get any consistant appearance for the Steels? I ended up settling on the 3E Greyhawk dragon, which could only be found in a single issue of Dragon despite these being the most player-ready dragon for 3E

Not that scoping through back issues of Dragon was an issue on that one, I had to fish up the original article that gave us Tiamat and Bahamut after a tip-off someone gave me there was an original Orange Dragon in there that was unrelated to any later ones. When the Pinks were the only one of these obscure early dragons to get a consistant appearance on, y'know there's a problem

(even if I think having the pink as a reference to a certain Monster Hunter creature kind of saves it)
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Who are the most annoying to find anything on

Y'know I made some of the lesser-known Chromatics and Metallics for NWN and it was an absolute chore to get any consistant appearance for the Steels? I ended up settling on the 3E Greyhawk dragon, which could only be found in a single issue of Dragon despite these being the most player-ready dragon for 3E

Not that scoping through back issues of Dragon was an issue on that one, I had to fish up the original article that gave us Tiamat and Bahamut after a tip-off someone gave me there was an original Orange Dragon in there that was unrelated to any later ones. When the Pinks were the only one of these obscure early dragons to get a consistant appearance on, y'know there's a problem

(even if I think having the pink as a reference to a certain Monster Hunter creature kind of saves it)
I'm a big believer in dragons not having to have a consistent appearance, other than color/metal/gem. For a while I removed the set alignments from dragons, as as set breath weapons in order to add variety to them, but it threw the players off too much, so I restored the color, alignment and breath weapon links.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
True Dragons arent colour coded for the convinience of adventurers, thats a silly notion which has arisen for the tendency of humanoids to try and categorise things.
Dragons are however highly magical and have the ability to change both the colours and texture of their skins at will across both chromatic and metallic spectrums. This can be purely decorative or it can be utilised as camouflage, in display or in communication.
Dragons being intelligent and charismatic will often present themselves to confirm Human expectations of their granduer and magnificence.

Gem Dragons are of course an entirely different set of creatures with only superficial smilarity to true dragons
 

Alzrius

The EN World kitten
I ended up settling on the 3E Greyhawk dragon, which could only be found in a single issue of Dragon despite these being the most player-ready dragon for 3E
Well, while the Greyhawk dragon did appear in Dragon #339 (2006), it made an earlier debut for 3E in Living Greyhawk Journal Volume 1 #1 (2000). But at the time, you only got that particular newsletter if you were a member of the RPGA.

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Ixal

Explorer
Probably because other metals look even more similar or are either too modern for a fantasy game (at least in the mind of the players) or too unknown.

Iron could have been used for a red metallic dragon, but most people today do not associate iron with its natural color as ore, but with its color of refined iron which is similar to silver (which applies to pretty much all remaining natural refined metals). Same with steel which is also is no natural product (apart from very tiny quantities as far as I know) so would have the same downside as alloys).
 
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AnotherGuy

Explorer
I mean, does anyone even use these dragons. Certainly not when a silver dragon will do.
In 5e the Rise of Tiamat uses them in the Draconic Council and the SKT AP has Felgolos.
And if I recall correctly one of the faction missions within Waterdeep: Dragon Heist deals with a bronze dragon.
So for those using the material, I guess yes.
 

None of those categories are definitive. The chromatics got the yellow, orange, and purple dragons in Dragon #65 for AD&D 1E, and then Dragon #248 updated them for 2E.

The ferrous dragons (chromium, cobalt, iron, nickel, and tungsten) premiered in Dragon #170 for 2E, and then in Dragon #256 for 3.5E.

The gem dragons used to have obsidian dragons among their numbers, before their god Sardior effectively exiled them all.

And there are plenty more where those come from. Mystara has its own collection of (non-psionic) gem dragons, for instance, in the Monster Compendium - Mystara Appendix for 2E, and there are brown dragons in FR10 Old Empires for 2E and in Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerûn for 3E.

The whole "three groupings of five" is an oversimplification, probably made up by human sages who don't know any better. Heck, even the stats for Tiamat's avatar in Powers & Pantheons for 2E notes that her five heads can be any combination of chromatic dragons, and lists how her stats would vary if she had a yellow and/or brown head replacing some of the usual colors.

Please note my use of affiliate links in this post.
we are aware of this, but several things there can't be a brown dragon as brown turns out to be a literal shade of orange and we are not getting a scarlet dragon it would be crazy.

sardior has the problem of being made of the same thing as sapphires thus I would rather the neutral dragons just have more colours but based on the same material also he is kinda a joke he lacks a grand place in the dragon pantheon or and goals thus the gems suck as the lack real setting hooks.

I did know about those dragons but brass and bronze are dumb they should have used a pure metal like iron or mercury.
 




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