Why does everyone hate drow?

I like the spider theme of drow. IMO the problem is not that the drow are too much like spiders, but that they are not enough like spiders.

First of all, they are too sociable. It requires a suspension of disbelief that drow could work together without killing each other. Solution: make drow loners, coming together only to mate (and that infrequently, not more often than every couple of years. Or decades, even.)

They are also too active. I think they should be like spiders in the center of their web. Quiescent and torpid most of the time, but ready to spring into action when prey comes near.

My implementation would be based on demonic influence and lots of drugs. The drow have special powers because they sold their souls long ago to demons. They spend most of their time in drug-induced reverie, but can fight as if on speed. Drugs and demons make them pretty psychotic and spaced out.

The mushrooms that the drow eat are hallucinogenic, and low on nutrients. To conserve energy the drow don't do much. But when they do move, they are deadly. Their magical powers enable them to gradually dream their surroundings into existence. They don't have to worry about how to get equipment or wealth or actually set up a functioning economy; stuff just gradually congeals around them after years of dreaming.

You could have cities of drow, but they would be like ghost-towns, holding maybe 1% the population of an equivalent human city. And any particular drow would be doing nothing 99% of the time.

Some drow might be exceptions to these general guidelines. They are like the kind of spiders that actively hunt their prey instead of waiting in their webs. These might have all sorts of crazy motivations, including building up armies and crushing all surface races, and might cooperate with similarly obsessed drow. "Drug crazed and demon possessed" would still be the predominant themes, though.

Some good stuff...

To add a little more flavor when I use drow as villains in my campaigns, I do make them more spider-like..or at least, one particular subculture of them.

This subculture sees Llolth more like a black widow spider than she is normally depicted... Her avatar to them resembles an almost Shelob-esque "Red Widow" drider, and she is much more bloodthirsty. As a consequence, the females of this subculture are cannibalistic carnivores, and males are a rare commodity. Only those males with exceptional abilities ever get to reproduce- the rest are thralls, and eventually, meals. Males are almost never seen by surface-worlders unless they enter one of their cities. Within this subculture, Drider-hood is a mark of Llolths favor, not her displeasure - her priestesses actively request this transformation, as do many of their culture's heroes...and Lloth indulges them. Among THIS subculture, the Driders are not sterile, either.

They are very powerful, but because of their societal practices, they are even fewer in number than their kin- too few to be a serious threat to the surface world. However, because their driders reproduce, they are growing in numbers very quickly...
 

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Psion said:
I am totally not on board with the principle that Drow need to be treated like PCs. And, IMO, it is precisely that attitude that has caused a lion's share of the disdain they have today.

The increased challenge of drow weapons and armor can be worked into their CR just like a strength bonus or a natural armor bonus, because they are mechanically equivalent.

I agree with the general consensus, that the dissolving equipment is cheesy as hell.
Really, if all of their cool equipment is like that, then if I were in such a world, as soon as I ran into any drow, off goes the "Sunburst" spell and in the next heartbeat you have a completely naked, completely unarmed drow raiding party, ready to be slaughtered. And no, they don't get magic resistance against that - it is their equipment, not them, and the equipment has a special weakness against sunlight, something it does not even get a save against normally.
 

Basically, I hate this alleged "sexiness of evil." Even the bad drow are supposed to be cool for some reason (I have no idea why), and the one "rare" good guy - every PC of the species that you happen to meet - is supposedly even more sexy because he's angsty. I don't get it, so therefore I consider it stupid.

Cut and paste rant for why vampires annoy me. Zombies rock, vampires, eh, not so much.

What do PCs hate more than evil (drow/vampires)? Good (drow/vampires).
 



The reason I hate drow is 2E drow. You'd just got the hang of how elves were the uber-munchkin race to play, when along comes a kewl new elf subrace to trump all other elf subraces. Overpowerful, overdone, and over here.

Cheers, Al'Kelhar
 

Altalazar said:
Really, if all of their cool equipment is like that, then if I were in such a world, as soon as I ran into any drow, off goes the "Sunburst" spell and in the next heartbeat you have a completely naked, completely unarmed drow raiding party, ready to be slaughtered.
It takes a month for it to start to desintegrate.
 

MPA said:
It takes a month for it to start to desintegrate.


Not in my game. :cool: One other reason I dislike Drow is about 15 years ago, I was at the local Ren Faire called King Richards faire. Its in carver, Mass.. Lots of people in costume, ect. There was a group of fair patrons dressed up like drow. Black painted pointed ears, black shirts and gloves for skin, black paint on the face, white wigs for hair, ect. Me and the group I was with, a long time gaming group wanted to kill them. This was a ren faire, not a DnD con costume contest.
 


I don´t hate drow but I haven´t gamed D&D in the 80s, so I never encountered the drow hate.

I just find it strange that drow are very immune to magic but still the magic using priestesses run the show.
 

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