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Pretty much every picture of domestic life in every edition of D&D's core books suggests a male-female relationship. People focus on the few exceptions, but they are definitely exceptions.

It's like asking a fish to notice water: The heteronormative aspects of pop culture are all around us and, thus, invisible to most consumers.
One big problem all people have is not having a realistic idea of intent and purpose when a business sends signals. I am not into mind reading with individuals, but companies are pretty transparent.

The picture of the the blue guy sweeping the bearded guy off of his feet is not to me about inclusion. It’s marketing. The company is betting on shifting demographics and their preferences.

As a result, when I see people sweeping one another off of eachother’s feet with smiling beholders in the background, I can say hard pass without saying anything socially.

This is marketing. And does nothing to invoke high adventure to me or so far as anyone has commented, anyone I play with.

As far as domestic scenes being mostly male female…yeah. It is. And there are none of the men or women sweeping men or women off of their feet that I know of. Then again, not sure why that would be more enticing.

But if it is to be believed (I am always skeptical) that 2024 is doing great, WOTC must be doing something right. It’s ok. If they get two other people for one of me who does not like it, they are in the right.

I just think this fits with a lot of the tone they are slipping in that is cozier and whatever. To each their own. Not wrong or right about it. Just not what I want. Heck I think my kids would think that particular picture is dorky too.

Someone here will jump in and say that make them want to play D&D. I am mystified, but not for me to say.
 

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One big problem all people have is not having a realistic idea of intent and purpose when a business sends signals. I am not into mind reading with individuals, but companies are pretty transparent.

The picture of the the blue guy sweeping the bearded guy off of his feet is not to me about inclusion. It’s marketing. The company is betting on shifting demographics and their preferences.

As a result, when I see people sweeping one another off of eachother’s feet with smiling beholders in the background, I can say hard pass without saying anything socially.

This is marketing. And does nothing to invoke high adventure to me or so far as anyone has commented, anyone I play with.

As far as domestic scenes being mostly male female…yeah. It is. And there are none of the men or women sweeping men or women off of their feet that I know of. Then again, not sure why that would be more enticing.

But if it is to be believed (I am always skeptical) that 2024 is doing great, WOTC must be doing something right. It’s ok. If they get two other people for one of me who does not like it, they are in the right.

I just think this fits with a lot of the tone they are slipping in that is cozier and whatever. To each their own. Not wrong or right about it. Just not what I want. Heck I think my kids would think that particular picture is dorky too.

Someone here will jump in and say that make them want to play D&D. I am mystified, but not for me to say.
Right. And it is possible to switch to a less heteronormative approach by changing background characters and setting assumptions without changing the scope of the game from high fantasy adventure to cozy romance.

E.g., Gnomengarde in Icespire peak.
 


They didn’t do that. They aren’t doing that.
Do you think cozy romance is signaled as a way players are expected to play more or less than previously?

Note, I've said this is a good thing and they should provide those options to take advantage of the Legends & Lattes crowd. I think it is good for marketing and a good way to get more people involved in RPGs. I think it's clear that's what they are doing with promotional art.
 

Do you think cozy romance is signaled as a way players are expected to play more or less than previously?

Note, I've said this is a good thing and they should provide those options to take advantage of the Legends & Lattes crowd. I think it is good for marketing and a good way to get more people involved in RPGs. I think it's clear that's what they are doing with promotional art.
They made an LGBTQ+ pride playmat. I don’t think WotC is encouraging anyone to play romance or encouraging to exclude romance. The playmat is not indicative of any shift in the tone of D&D anymore than this officially licensed puzzle is.

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They made an LGBTQ+ pride playmat. I don’t think WotC is encouraging anyone to play romance or encouraging to exclude romance. The playmat is not indicative of any shift in the tone of D&D anymore than this officially licensed puzzle is.

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I've seen a shift in the public games I run in terms of what people are looking for, which I think is represented by broader changes in fantasy literature. Romantasy has taken fantasy by storm and it would be surprising if that didn't have an effect on d&d. So if WotC is not marketing that way, why not? What should they be doing to capture that market?
 

I've seen a shift in the public games I run in terms of what people are looking for, which I think is represented by broader changes in fantasy literature. Romantasy has taken fantasy by storm and it would be surprising if that didn't have an effect on d&d. So if WotC is not marketing that way, why not? What should they be doing to capture that market?
A Fourth Wing boxed set
 

Maybe I should have said it with other words. D&D should seem ideologically neutral, or at least without ideological prejudices against any section of the consumers. We need enough diplomacy and delicacy to avoid possible troubles linked with the cancelation culture.
There are people who get offended if they see a character in a D&D book who looks like they could have a name like "Luis Carlos." That is, if they see someone they don't think is white enough.

So, how do you propose one should seem ideologically neutral in a situation like this? Do you do this by not having illustrations of people who aren't white? (and thus potentially offend and ostracize all non-white potential buyers.) Or do you do this by including illustrations of people who aren't white? (and thus offend and ostracize a subset of white potential buyers.)

Or do you do this by making all humans asexual and make their skin color blue? D&D is now about Medium-sized Smurfs.

This is why you can't be "ideologically neutral" in cases like this. You literally can't have middle ground. You have: exclusivity, tokenism (which is really just a subset of exclusivity), and inclusivity.

Some times there are "jealousy" because when you show support to a group then other feel "forgotten" or desplaced. You could be losing clients because these don't feel "wellcome"

The key is to know how to introduce new things in the right way. For example Miss Marvel/Kamala Khan from the canceled Marvel's Avenger wasn't too popular, but the same character in the new videogame "Marvel Tokon: Fighting Souls" is wellcome.
Ms. Marvel, from what I read on Wikipedia, was actually very popular and very well-reviewed. It just got review-bombed on IMDB--by the same sort of people I wrote about above.

Also, of all the newer, live-action Marvel shows? How many of them actually got a second season? I'm pretty sure it's just Loki, with another season of Daredevil: Born Again in the works. So the fact that Ms. Marvel only got a single season isn't really remarkable.

The consumer can't suspect the artist or author could suffer some ideological prejudice because then they will distrust her and they will not want to keep listening her. Let's remember the controversy about flower wars with the last DC animated movie "Tlaxcaltec Batman: Blood Empire".
According to Wikipedia, the controversy is that they showed the Spanish conquest of the Aztecs as being a really bad thing. Reddit says its because (a) Batman isn't white but he's fighting white people; (b) it's not historically accurate about showing how bad the Aztecs were re: sacrifice; or (c) because it's boring and relies on stereotypes. So... What about the controversy do we need to remember?

But anyway, Let's say you have an artist or author who has an ideological prejudice of some sort. People who agree with that prejudice will keep on supporting them; people who disagree won't. So what?

There are going to be people who won't buy the D&D playmat because it has two dudes kissing on it. There's also going to be people who won't buy it because they don't like the art, or because a happy beholder is just wrong somehow. There's probably a lot more people won't buy it because who on earthy buys a playmat for D&D. So people don't buy it. Oh well.
 



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