why orc pc?

[wildstarsreach]

A good-aligned drow wouldn't survive the Test of Lolth, so they wouldn't live long enough to become an adventurer.

I think he meant Thrall [/QUOTE]

They are either transformed into driders if they take the test or killed. Otherwise they would be forced out or flee to avoid this fate. Remember, They don't take the test until 6th level class in whatever the drow takes. Long enough to become an adventurer.

 

[Toccata]

This is why.

It's so incredibly badass.

 

[Desdichado]

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Me neither. Clearly I'm a fan of the horror vibe.

Where do you live, by the way? Anywhere near Detroit? We could always use another gamer who thinks like I do.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

To me:
No Typical Alignment = Neutral Alignment in general

Not to D&D.

Neutral means that they're neither good nor evil, but indifferent towards alignements (or incapable of being good or evil and so on), or dedicated to the balance.

No typical alignment means that you can't tell whether the guy is CG, CE, LG, LE, NG, NE, LN, CN, or N. He might be a defender of the balance, but it's just as likely a bloodthirsty mass murderer.


"Usually Neutral" means that about half of the population is Neutral (and it's not unlikely that most of those who're not are at least partially neutral). You can make a guess that he's true neutral and you'll be right a lot of the time. No typical alignment means that all alignments are represented more or less equally. You can't make a guess and expect it to be right more than occasionally.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Remember, They don't take the test until 6th level class in whatever the drow takes. Long enough to become an adventurer.

Long enough to leave your city and get killed. Unless you happen to find a band of good-aligned drow adventurers, which would be extremely rare (except for those horrid Eilistraeens). Then you need a place to settle, and the surface is hostile.

 

[funkysnunkulator]

This is why.

It's so incredibly badass.

oooooooooh. saaaaaaaassy.

that ork is so.... orky. our group will definitely rip this off. thanks for that.

 

[Tyler Do'Urden]

Okay, time for a drow defender to jump into the fray.

First off, in defense of Drizz't... I don't know where the notion that Drizz't is some sort of brooding emo-boy got started; I've read most of the novels (admittedly when I was in college, not high school), and never got that vibe off the character at all. Drizz't seemed more the quiet, rugged individualist than the whiny emo-boy... the Drow equivalent of the whiny emo-boy would never have the guts to move out of his matron mother's house, would be servile and cowardly, a self-loathing Chaotic Evil too weak to ever strike out on his own and leave behind his upbringing. Likewise, Drizz't is hardly a clone of Elric; Drizz't is a reversal of Elric. Elric was a decadent, weak, evil sorcerer living in a corrupt, decadent society; Drizz't lived in such a society, and chose to reject it in favor of a lonely, hard life. Drizz't is more Aragorn than Elric.

Likewise, I've played three drow characters in both 2nd edition and 3rd. While 3e Drow can be a challenge against some encounters (hey, there's a reason Drizz't adventures with a beefy barbarian- somebody has to soak all that damage!), they're extremely potent in others. Drow rogue-types can be especially effective. That, and on-paper, theoretical balance is one thing- actual in-play balance is entirely different, and always dependent on the DM's style.

I, for one, hope that Drow are included as a playable sub-race in the 4th edition player's handbook; not as a race with entirely different stat modifications and powers, but as one permutation of "elf", along with the others.

 

[funkysnunkulator]

seems drizzt isn't really regarded as emo. the notion that every fanboy wants to play thier own little drizzt seems a little emo.

play drow. play them till doomsday. just play one that isn't drizzt.

course. some things have to be considered here.

even these good drow come from approximately the same background if male. lowest of the low tormented used abused manipulated trash talked whupped on beat down tortured expendable looked down upon unwelcome on the surface weak in the daylight seeking something better but never really knowing what it is holding in a lifetime of pain and never really fitting in.

taken in that light, one could assume that most "good" drow characters probably are almost exactly alike in thier behavior.

still, players should strive to play something unique. guess emo is a harsh term. cliche. hackneyed. contrived. these might be more accurate descriptions.

personally, drow should stay. and gnomes. and kalashtar. and illumians. and elan. and dusklings. and nezumi. and vanara. and kenku. and tengu. and korobokoru. and hengeyokai. and quicklings. and fey. and paragon half fiend lycanthrope vampire flumphs.

ah. just waxing nostalgic. viva v3!!!!

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Okay, time for a drow defender to jump into the fray.

What have I been defending, then?

First off, in defense of Drizz't... I don't know where the notion that Drizz't is some sort of brooding emo-boy got started

In whatever pit of hell is responsible for exaggeration. A popular tactic: Someone's consumed by irrational hate towards something and want others to hate it, too, but since their hatred is irrational, they have no tangible thing to hold against it. So they make something up, blow things up way out of proportion, and scream that on the top of their lungs. Then others hear it, and among those are some who hate whatever it is the witchhunt is about. Since many of them don't know anything about the matter (as many drizzt haters probably never read the books, because they're "rubbish written by a hack"), they buy it at face value, and add their voices to the inquisition.

It's just like people call the Paizo people cannibals. It all got started just because they resorted to eating one of their collegues when they were snowed in, and now the Paizo-haters keep writing how Paizo people regularly order chinese or pizza and then eat the delivery boy because they get free pizza that way.

 

[funkysnunkulator]

In whatever pit of hell is responsible for exaggeration. (that would be the pit of baator.)

A popular tactic: Someone's consumed by irrational hate towards something and want others to hate it, too, but since their hatred is irrational, they have no tangible thing to hold against it. (there is nothing irrational about hate. just read this pamphlet from baator.)
So they make something up, blow things up way out of proportion, and scream that on the top of their lungs. (agreed. there is always a lot of screaming in baator.)
Then others hear it, and among those are some who hate whatever it is the witchhunt is about. (of course. this is one of the more successful agendas developed in baator.)
Since many of them don't know anything about the matter (as many drizzt haters probably never read the books, because they're "rubbish written by a hack"), they buy it at face value, and add their voices to the inquisition. (this is a subject of much amusement in baator.)
It's just like people call the Paizo people cannibals. It all got started just because they resorted to eating one of their collegues when they were snowed in, and now the Paizo-haters keep writing how Paizo people regularly order chinese or pizza and then eat the delivery boy because they get free pizza that way.

eating collegues. yep. we've all been THERE......

course, there is nothing wrong with free pizza or chinese food. unless it comes from baator.

"we give the middle finger to the abyss..."