Why Shouldn't I Ban "Come and Get It"?

[erik_the_guy]

The fighter is a master of maneuvering through a combat. Maybe he uses this skill to force his enemies to approach him through the dynamics of the combat. It makes sense for enemies that are an obvious part of the brawl (the club wielding ogre and swashbuckling pirate). The fighter uses fancy footwork to cut them off, corner them, force them to move, etc. Perhaps he tricks them into thinking that he has left his defenses down, and attacks them when they approach.

Your right though, I don't see how this works against a wizard, or a non-combatant trying to hide etc...

I might rule that a wizard or hiding rogue would have no reason to approach the fighter and therefore don't, or I might require the fighter to roll CHA vs WILL in order to affect them. I would add modifiers that I thought were appropriate.

 

[Jack Colby]

I'm not bothered by such rules, but then I understand and accept that 4E has made some different assumptions about how things work, and, indeed, altered the "reality" of the D&D game world. If I didn't accept that I wouldn't play 4E.

 

[Marnak]

Rogue 9: Deadly Positioning
Warlord 22: Own the Battlefield
Iron Vanguard 12: Inexorable Shift

FYI, I don't have as much problems with these as with "Come and Get It" for the following reasons:

Deadly Positioning: You have to be adjacent to target already, so it is just about forcing foe to move a certain way to avoid your (fake) blow.

Own the Battlefield: This one is crazy, but at least is Epic tier. Still seems like "magic" to me. I kind of put this in the category with the latest Indiana Jones which allowed Indy (now epic level) to fall down multiple waterfalls, etc, etc. Ridiculous but cinematic.

Inexorable Shift: Once again, you have to be adjacent to target to force his movement so this make sense to me for same reason as Deadly Positioning.

I do agree with early poster that Blinding Barrage (Rogue) is equally hard to imagine in RAW, but it is an easy fix for me (just require that it can only be done with a sling and allow sling to be drawn as free action if necessary).

Marnak

 

[Tony Vargas]

Own the Battlefield: This one is crazy, but at least is Epic tier. Still seems like "magic" to me.

I'm looking forward to this one. The idea, I think, is that the warlord uses his strategic mastery to bring his party into contact with the enemy when they're out of position, or fool them into braking formation - or just outsmart them to a degree that can only be modeled by freely repositioning them. He's not actually moving everyone around, he's just catching them when they're badly positioned or puting his one people in such a superior position that where everyone ends up is just the best the enemy can react to his brilliiant tactical masterstroke.

I do agree with early poster that Blinding Barrage (Rogue) is equally hard to imagine in RAW, but it is an easy fix for me (just require that it can only be done with a sling and allow sling to be drawn as free action if necessary).

Yeah, the guy playing the rogue in my group asked me to help him choose between Blinding Barrage and one of the other dailies, and BB was obviously better for what he wanted, but I just couldn't make myself recomend it, because it's so hard visualize. The best I could come up with is tossing handfulls of shuriken at people and miraculously hitting them all glancing wounds to the forehead.

What's hard or easy to visualize is pretty subjective.

 

[Marnak]

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True that.

 

[Nifft]

I'm looking forward to this one. The idea, I think, is that the warlord uses his strategic mastery to bring his party into contact with the enemy when they're out of position, or fool them into braking formation - or just outsmart them to a degree that can only be modeled by freely repositioning them. He's not actually moving everyone around, he's just catching them when they're badly positioned or puting his one people in such a superior position that where everyone ends up is just the best the enemy can react to his brilliiant tactical masterstroke.

Yup.

"Execute formation twelve-bee!"
"Right!"
"Right!"
*several stabbings later*
"Wow, it worked just like in the training illusion!"

Cheers, -- N